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There are no Israeli casualties ? wtf are you on about. There are enough Israeli casualties to completely shake a country to its core. Forget all the dead from

There are no Israeli casualties ? wtf are you on about. There are enough Israeli casualties to completely shake a country to its core. Forget all the dead from the Hamas massacre of October 7th, Israel has 12k+ wounded soldiers. That's an enormous amount for such a small country. It still has around 100k internal refugees. Yes it's way way less than what Gaza has experienced but at the same time - correcting for population - it's so much worse than 9/11. There's no Western country in recent time that went through something event remotely similar to what Israel has gone and is going through.

throw310822 2y ago
I would leave aside all proportions and corrections for population: because otherwise you need to multiply by a factor between 2 and 4 the deaths and injuries in Gaza to compare them with those of Israel. You'd probably not want to. Besides this, the number of Israeli casualties in the Gaza invasion amount to a few hundred soldiers while the Palestinians ones are two orders of magnitude higher, and most of them civilians. If you have more precise data plase share.
- weatherlite 2y ago
  > I would leave aside all proportions and corrections for population: because otherwise you need to multiply by a factor between 2 and 4 the deaths and injuries in Gaza to compare them with those of Israel. You'd probably not want to. Why wouldn't I want to ? I'm not gonna deny for a moment what Gaza is going through isn't traumatic, of course it is. That's reality. And saying what Israel is going through is nothing is delusional as well.
  - throw310822 2y ago
    I think comparing what Israel is going through with the destruction of Gaza- which is comparable to that of Dresden or Warsaw, a wasteland of ruins, starving people, corpses and amputated civilians- is, well, obscene.
    - weatherlite 2y ago
      Gaza is suffering much more - I never tried to say otherwise. I'm not sure what the point of this argument is anymore to be honest. It seems you can't or won't admit that Israelis are suffering quite a bit for some reason even if it pales in comparison to Gaza.
      - throw310822 2y ago
        The point is that this is not a war. It's a massacre in which an army is killing tens of thousands of civilians and razing an entire region to the ground, while itself is suffering minimal casualties.
        weatherlite 2y ago
        As I said , they're not minimal. What are you comparing it to exactly.
  - meiraleal 2y ago
    > I'm not gonna deny for a moment what Gaza is going through isn't traumatic, of course it is. That's reality. And saying what Israel is going through is nothing is delusional as well. Only in one of those places people are celebrating.
aguaviva 2y ago
There are no Israeli casualties? Precisely zero civilian casualties inside Israel proper since Oct 8th (due to the Hamas conflict) is what they apparently meant. There's no Western country ... These being the only ones whose populations are worth having empathy with. There's no Western country in recent time that went through something event remotely similar to what Israel has gone and is going through. Except Ukraine, which has had 100x displaced (in raw terms) or 25x per capita. And (since we need to divide by zero) infinitely civilians more actualy killed/wounded. There are also (assuming since 2000 so) these countries "Georgia" and "Armenia" you might have heard of. Feel free to run the numbers on those countries, and report back to us what you find. Again, restricting our attention to worthy "Western" societies. It seems you'll need to find another way to promote the "Israel's suffering is unique" narrative.
- dash2 2y ago
  > These being the only ones whose populations are worth having empathy with.…It seems you'll need to find another way to promote the "Israel's suffering is unique" narrative. HN norms are to assume the best interpretation of your collocutor. This isn’t doing that.
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    Then you should assume the best interpretation of my intent, as well. The commenter was really quite clueless when they said "No Western country in recent times has gone through something even remotely similar to what Israel has gone and is going through." To the point that we're forced to ask ourselves if it's even possible for someone be that clueless. It's also difficult to read that statement other than as suggesting that there must be something awfully special about what Israel is going through. Especially when suffering literally 30x-100x greater (depending on your choice of metric), also ethnically targeted, has been happening right there in the same time zone, just a few notches up (and in a thoroughly Western country which Israel has extensive cultural and ancestral ties with). It's not like it hasn't been in the news. And nevermind the suffering that has been happening in countries right next to Israel. Because they aren't Western and so don't matter. The mind simply boggles.

throw310822 2y ago

I would leave aside all proportions and corrections for population: because otherwise you need to multiply by a factor between 2 and 4 the deaths and injuries in Gaza to compare them with those of Israel. You'd probably not want to. Besides this, the number of Israeli casualties in the Gaza invasion amount to a few hundred soldiers while the Palestinians ones are two orders of magnitude higher, and most of them civilians. If you have more precise data plase share.

weatherlite 2y ago
> I would leave aside all proportions and corrections for population: because otherwise you need to multiply by a factor between 2 and 4 the deaths and injuries in Gaza to compare them with those of Israel. You'd probably not want to. Why wouldn't I want to ? I'm not gonna deny for a moment what Gaza is going through isn't traumatic, of course it is. That's reality. And saying what Israel is going through is nothing is delusional as well.
- throw310822 2y ago
  I think comparing what Israel is going through with the destruction of Gaza- which is comparable to that of Dresden or Warsaw, a wasteland of ruins, starving people, corpses and amputated civilians- is, well, obscene.
  - weatherlite 2y ago
    Gaza is suffering much more - I never tried to say otherwise. I'm not sure what the point of this argument is anymore to be honest. It seems you can't or won't admit that Israelis are suffering quite a bit for some reason even if it pales in comparison to Gaza.
    - throw310822 2y ago
      The point is that this is not a war. It's a massacre in which an army is killing tens of thousands of civilians and razing an entire region to the ground, while itself is suffering minimal casualties.
      - weatherlite 2y ago
        As I said , they're not minimal. What are you comparing it to exactly.
- meiraleal 2y ago
  > I'm not gonna deny for a moment what Gaza is going through isn't traumatic, of course it is. That's reality. And saying what Israel is going through is nothing is delusional as well. Only in one of those places people are celebrating.

aguaviva 2y ago

There are no Israeli casualties? Precisely zero civilian casualties inside Israel proper since Oct 8th (due to the Hamas conflict) is what they apparently meant. There's no Western country ... These being the only ones whose populations are worth having empathy with. There's no Western country in recent time that went through something event remotely similar to what Israel has gone and is going through. Except Ukraine, which has had 100x displaced (in raw terms) or 25x per capita. And (since we need to divide by zero) infinitely civilians more actualy killed/wounded. There are also (assuming since 2000 so) these countries "Georgia" and "Armenia" you might have heard of. Feel free to run the numbers on those countries, and report back to us what you find. Again, restricting our attention to worthy "Western" societies. It seems you'll need to find another way to promote the "Israel's suffering is unique" narrative.

dash2 2y ago
> These being the only ones whose populations are worth having empathy with.…It seems you'll need to find another way to promote the "Israel's suffering is unique" narrative. HN norms are to assume the best interpretation of your collocutor. This isn’t doing that.
- aguaviva 2y ago
  Then you should assume the best interpretation of my intent, as well. The commenter was really quite clueless when they said "No Western country in recent times has gone through something even remotely similar to what Israel has gone and is going through." To the point that we're forced to ask ourselves if it's even possible for someone be that clueless. It's also difficult to read that statement other than as suggesting that there must be something awfully special about what Israel is going through. Especially when suffering literally 30x-100x greater (depending on your choice of metric), also ethnically targeted, has been happening right there in the same time zone, just a few notches up (and in a thoroughly Western country which Israel has extensive cultural and ancestral ties with). It's not like it hasn't been in the news. And nevermind the suffering that has been happening in countries right next to Israel. Because they aren't Western and so don't matter. The mind simply boggles.