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This is just a highly visible problem. Bots make getting reservations at popular restaurants impossible for normal people. So they aren't necessarily being pric

by aomix 2y ago

This is just a highly visible problem. Bots make getting reservations at popular restaurants impossible for normal people. So they aren't necessarily being priced out they're being excluded by not being in the know. Which is frustrating. I'm in the know, thanks to my wife, and we still sometimes need to try for weeks to get a reservation because we refuse to pay on the black market.

lotsofpulp 2y ago
Couldn’t restaurants have required an up front non refundable deposit and required the name of the person eating at the time of making the reservation? Airlines/rental cars/hotels have solved this problem without legislation.
- gnabgib 2y ago
  They did that. There was press about -particularly guys- showing up for a reservation with a date and having to use a girl's name (hilarity ensued). (8 points, 2 years ago, no comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33793285 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33793285 .. can't find a related right now, but you can see how when paying $2000 for a reservation you might do that.
  - lotsofpulp 2y ago
    If they didn’t check government issued photo ID, then they really didn’t follow through.
    - Spooky23 2y ago
      I’m not going to have my identity verified to eat dinner. Fuck that noise.
      - carlosjobim 2y ago
        Then don't make a reservation. Go to a restaurant where they don't need that.
      - throw10920 2y ago
        I'm happy to have my identity verified to get a reservation at a nice, popular restaurant without having to pay on the black market, and most of the people I know are the same.
- SR2Z 2y ago
  Yeah, it sounds to me like restaurants really don't mind this black market if it leads to tables getting filled more reliably. If they wanted to end it, it would be straightforward to make the rez nontransferable.
  - everforward 2y ago
    The people that show up also probably spend more if they paid for the reservation. I’m a little curious why the restaurants don’t just charge more. From my simplistic understanding of economics, this sounds like consumers are willing to pay more for it, but restaurants are letting scalpers eat the excess. There must be a reason, they know the market better than me, just curious what it is.
    - onionisafruit 2y ago
      I’m curious about that too. My speculation is they think there aren’t enough people to fill their dining rooms who are willing to pay that much more. They could probably do something like auctioning off a certain number of last minute reservations, but then they risk looking predatory.
    - notahacker 2y ago
      Restaurants want to be as busy as possible as much as time as possible and to sell as high value produce as possible and tip the waiter well. And to come back when they're not booked up. Scalpers just want to skim a margin off the top at peak time, and don't give a shit whether people think they've overpaid for the experience and end up skipping dessert and ranting about how mediocre it was on social media. Or indeed whether they actually sell all the reservations at all they haven't paid for, especially if the profit maximizing fee is one that leaves it half empty...
- roughly 2y ago
  There are five different airlines, five different rental car companies, and five major hotel chains*. There are a million different restaurants, most of whom handle reservations with infrastructure consisting of a phone, a piece of paper, and a pen. * yes, you’re right, there are six. You got me.
  - carlosjobim 2y ago
    So what? Demand ID from the booker for people on the guest list to be seated. This is a solved problem and something that restaurateurs can fix in less than one second. No need for any legislation, no need for any digital system.
    - MiguelX413 2y ago
      And ID is demanded online or by phone how exactly?
  - kortilla 2y ago
    Non sequitur. It requires no technology to check an ID on a reservation
nradov 2y ago
Life pro tip: if you don't have a reservation then just slip the Applebee's hostess $5 and you can get a table.

by aomix 2y ago

lotsofpulp 2y ago

Couldn’t restaurants have required an up front non refundable deposit and required the name of the person eating at the time of making the reservation? Airlines/rental cars/hotels have solved this problem without legislation.

gnabgib 2y ago
They did that. There was press about -particularly guys- showing up for a reservation with a date and having to use a girl's name (hilarity ensued). (8 points, 2 years ago, no comments) https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33793285 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=33793285 .. can't find a related right now, but you can see how when paying $2000 for a reservation you might do that.
- lotsofpulp 2y ago
  If they didn’t check government issued photo ID, then they really didn’t follow through.
  - Spooky23 2y ago
    I’m not going to have my identity verified to eat dinner. Fuck that noise.
    - carlosjobim 2y ago
      Then don't make a reservation. Go to a restaurant where they don't need that.
    - throw10920 2y ago
      I'm happy to have my identity verified to get a reservation at a nice, popular restaurant without having to pay on the black market, and most of the people I know are the same.
SR2Z 2y ago
Yeah, it sounds to me like restaurants really don't mind this black market if it leads to tables getting filled more reliably. If they wanted to end it, it would be straightforward to make the rez nontransferable.
- everforward 2y ago
  The people that show up also probably spend more if they paid for the reservation. I’m a little curious why the restaurants don’t just charge more. From my simplistic understanding of economics, this sounds like consumers are willing to pay more for it, but restaurants are letting scalpers eat the excess. There must be a reason, they know the market better than me, just curious what it is.
  - onionisafruit 2y ago
    I’m curious about that too. My speculation is they think there aren’t enough people to fill their dining rooms who are willing to pay that much more. They could probably do something like auctioning off a certain number of last minute reservations, but then they risk looking predatory.
  - notahacker 2y ago
    Restaurants want to be as busy as possible as much as time as possible and to sell as high value produce as possible and tip the waiter well. And to come back when they're not booked up. Scalpers just want to skim a margin off the top at peak time, and don't give a shit whether people think they've overpaid for the experience and end up skipping dessert and ranting about how mediocre it was on social media. Or indeed whether they actually sell all the reservations at all they haven't paid for, especially if the profit maximizing fee is one that leaves it half empty...
roughly 2y ago
There are five different airlines, five different rental car companies, and five major hotel chains*. There are a million different restaurants, most of whom handle reservations with infrastructure consisting of a phone, a piece of paper, and a pen. * yes, you’re right, there are six. You got me.
- carlosjobim 2y ago
  So what? Demand ID from the booker for people on the guest list to be seated. This is a solved problem and something that restaurateurs can fix in less than one second. No need for any legislation, no need for any digital system.
  - MiguelX413 2y ago
    And ID is demanded online or by phone how exactly?
- kortilla 2y ago
  Non sequitur. It requires no technology to check an ID on a reservation

nradov 2y ago

Life pro tip: if you don't have a reservation then just slip the Applebee's hostess $5 and you can get a table.