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> What you are supporting is local sustainability. The world would be better off with less global trade and more local productions. Local productions means a st

> What you are supporting is local sustainability. The world would be better off with less global trade and more local productions. Local productions means a stronger community and more visibility for business practices, because it's more sustainable. This is true for the extreme minority of products that ARE produced locally. If you buy a screwdriver from the privately-owned DYI shop around the corner it will have been produced in the same Chinese factory and shipped by the same boats and trucks as the one you'll buy from Amazon. You're not at all supporting local sustainability, you're just paying more to add one more middleman.

vouaobrasil 2y ago
Well, also, if you don't support Amazon, then you don't support the growth of a large company like Amazon which is one more component of the collection of big corporations that are exactly those responsible for globalization in the first place.
- iLoveOncall 2y ago
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  - vouaobrasil 2y ago
    It is a bad thing. And you say it like it's a dichotomy. And I could certainly get most of the comforts of modern life with 5% of the force of globalization. House, food, bed, some reading material, etc. I don't really care for technology, and I use it because it's part of my work and livelihood. BUT, I could easily be just as happy living a simpler life. Believe me, I've already thought about it. I could be pretty much as comfortable with WAY less global trade. Most people buy way too much clothes, use way too much technology, none of which makes life more comfortable. > Hell, without globalization you wouldn't even be able to do your job, where do you think your Nikon's, Canon's and Sony's come from? (A) My point is that if there were other forms of labor, I wouldn't be less comfortable. (B) Again, I'm arguing for a reduction in global trade, not an outright ban. My point is that it needs to be reduced. Is it hypocritical to complain about your government even though they make the country that you live in? Of course, I'm using the resources I have, but I could be equally comfortable in a different world. My argument is that our current world is not necessary and not optimal.
    - infecto 2y ago
      Please get off the internet then, destroy your computer and go live on a farm. I don't say this to be an antagonist but it is what you yourself is suggesting others do.
      - ch4s3 2y ago
        That man is the most insufferable person I've seen online in weeks.
      - iLoveOncall 2y ago
        Yes please, I'll happily pay for the sledgehammer for him to destroy his computer.
      - OfficeChad 2y ago
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      - vouaobrasil 2y ago
        I am working towards that goal, actually. My only reasosn to be on it are economic for now.
        infecto 2y ago
        That's my point. It feels very hypocritical because you yourself could disconnect today as you suggest in your gospel but you don't.
        vouaobrasil 2y ago
        I am not advocating for a simpler life off grid. If I were, I would disconnect now. I am advocating for the destruction of technology because it destroys nature. And sometimes, you need to use the master's tools to dismantle the master's house.
        infecto 2y ago
- vasco 2y ago
  Globalization is one of the best things that has ever happened to humanity. It allows whoever is willing to understand the peoples of the world share way more than what makes them different. Globalization, specially through the internet, but trade as whole, is my personal bet on what could "end all wars". In fact it is the first necessary step for the philosophical parts of the communist manifesto that are salvageable, the parts about the global coalition of common peoples working on shared goals and with similar baseline prosperity.
  - vouaobrasil 2y ago
    It is only good if you take a short-term, human-supremacist view of the world. If you consider all life to have worth independent of its value to humanity, then globalization is a horror. And then globalization and the industrial society is the cause of climate change, so it's only good in the short-term.
    - vasco 2y ago
      If by "short-term" you mean "until we stop killing each other in massive wars" (I doubt we can eliminate individual murder), I guess I agree, but by my estimation that will take several centuries at least. If by short term you mean before that, I doubt that we can agree. I'm talking about something that to me is already so far in the future that it was strange to hear "short-term" as a response to that argument! Regarding human-supremacist view, I hadn't seen that expression before but if I interpret it correctly, I would say that describes a great big majority of the world population and I believe anyone would have a really hard time making this case to anyone on the street. I respect the moral purity in a way, but I think it's wildly impractical to call people around you human-supremacists, when like I said we are still not totally in agreement that things like wars should not happen. We say we do but there's never not been wars in our history. I don't know man, I feel like you're too deep in this rabbithole of morality to be able to have a normal discussion about getting a lightbulb at the local store when you start calling other people human-supremacists. But I do enjoy the banter!
      - vouaobrasil 2y ago
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vouaobrasil 2y ago

Well, also, if you don't support Amazon, then you don't support the growth of a large company like Amazon which is one more component of the collection of big corporations that are exactly those responsible for globalization in the first place.

iLoveOncall 2y ago
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- vouaobrasil 2y ago
  It is a bad thing. And you say it like it's a dichotomy. And I could certainly get most of the comforts of modern life with 5% of the force of globalization. House, food, bed, some reading material, etc. I don't really care for technology, and I use it because it's part of my work and livelihood. BUT, I could easily be just as happy living a simpler life. Believe me, I've already thought about it. I could be pretty much as comfortable with WAY less global trade. Most people buy way too much clothes, use way too much technology, none of which makes life more comfortable. > Hell, without globalization you wouldn't even be able to do your job, where do you think your Nikon's, Canon's and Sony's come from? (A) My point is that if there were other forms of labor, I wouldn't be less comfortable. (B) Again, I'm arguing for a reduction in global trade, not an outright ban. My point is that it needs to be reduced. Is it hypocritical to complain about your government even though they make the country that you live in? Of course, I'm using the resources I have, but I could be equally comfortable in a different world. My argument is that our current world is not necessary and not optimal.
  - infecto 2y ago
    Please get off the internet then, destroy your computer and go live on a farm. I don't say this to be an antagonist but it is what you yourself is suggesting others do.
    - ch4s3 2y ago
      That man is the most insufferable person I've seen online in weeks.
    - iLoveOncall 2y ago
      Yes please, I'll happily pay for the sledgehammer for him to destroy his computer.
    - OfficeChad 2y ago
      [dead]
    - vouaobrasil 2y ago
      I am working towards that goal, actually. My only reasosn to be on it are economic for now.
      - infecto 2y ago
        That's my point. It feels very hypocritical because you yourself could disconnect today as you suggest in your gospel but you don't.
        vouaobrasil 2y ago
        I am not advocating for a simpler life off grid. If I were, I would disconnect now. I am advocating for the destruction of technology because it destroys nature. And sometimes, you need to use the master's tools to dismantle the master's house.
        infecto 2y ago
vasco 2y ago
Globalization is one of the best things that has ever happened to humanity. It allows whoever is willing to understand the peoples of the world share way more than what makes them different. Globalization, specially through the internet, but trade as whole, is my personal bet on what could "end all wars". In fact it is the first necessary step for the philosophical parts of the communist manifesto that are salvageable, the parts about the global coalition of common peoples working on shared goals and with similar baseline prosperity.
- vouaobrasil 2y ago
  It is only good if you take a short-term, human-supremacist view of the world. If you consider all life to have worth independent of its value to humanity, then globalization is a horror. And then globalization and the industrial society is the cause of climate change, so it's only good in the short-term.
  - vasco 2y ago
    If by "short-term" you mean "until we stop killing each other in massive wars" (I doubt we can eliminate individual murder), I guess I agree, but by my estimation that will take several centuries at least. If by short term you mean before that, I doubt that we can agree. I'm talking about something that to me is already so far in the future that it was strange to hear "short-term" as a response to that argument! Regarding human-supremacist view, I hadn't seen that expression before but if I interpret it correctly, I would say that describes a great big majority of the world population and I believe anyone would have a really hard time making this case to anyone on the street. I respect the moral purity in a way, but I think it's wildly impractical to call people around you human-supremacists, when like I said we are still not totally in agreement that things like wars should not happen. We say we do but there's never not been wars in our history. I don't know man, I feel like you're too deep in this rabbithole of morality to be able to have a normal discussion about getting a lightbulb at the local store when you start calling other people human-supremacists. But I do enjoy the banter!
    - vouaobrasil 2y ago

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