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Unfortunately for me in enterprise it was impossible to convince them to allow us to use cursor since they're not well known like GitHub/Microsoft so they're af

Unfortunately for me in enterprise it was impossible to convince them to allow us to use cursor since they're not well known like GitHub/Microsoft so they're afraid of what they'd do with our data. We are allowed Copilot and Chatgpt because of an enterprise contract with each. Luckily copilot has been improving but there definitely was a while where it felt way behind the jumps other products have had in the past year or so.

sleepybrett 2y ago
... and they aren't concerned with what microsoft is doing with it?
- kittikitti 2y ago
  Microsoft is a monopoly and they've done everything they can to scare people about AI.
- ethbr1 2y ago
  Part of the hangup is that startups are shit at dealing with enterprise privacy contracts, whereas Microsoft probably has a whole department for that. A product can work however it works, good or bad, but if you can't wrap contractual guarantees around it that are palatable to your enterprise customers, you're not going to get enterprise sales.
- simianparrot 2y ago
  Can Cursor sign a DPA in addition to an enterprise contract where they actually have to put into concise writing what they are and aren't doing with our data? Microsoft will. Amazon will. But in my experience a lot of smaller players can't or won't. That's a legal blocker.
- Gigachad 2y ago
  Microsoft already has access to all of your code on Github.
  - mistrial9 2y ago
    and your partner network, and your commit patterns, and your bug list, and your remote IP address while working, and you have to authenticate to them each time you use it (which means that they can turn off your access)
  - darthwalsh 2y ago
    Many big companies are using GitHub Enterprise Server or some other self-hosted version control. GitHub Copilot works fine with these; just authenticate against github.com first
- area51org 2y ago
  My company isn't. Apparently, "We've heard of Microsoft" == "They won't do anything wrong with our data" in the minds of non-technical lawyer types.
- gdhkgdhkvff 2y ago
  This is such a common lazy cynical take on HN. “Microsoft is evil, therefore they will destroy their enterprise customer relationships by stealing their enterprise customer data, despite the fact that they explicitly state they will not do that.” I would understand this mindset when it comes to consumer uses of it, but enterprise is where Microsoft makes its money and it would have to be the dumbest business decision ever to ruin the enterprise cash cow by doing that.
  - BeefWellington 2y ago
    Please reconcile that idea with o365. There are areas where Microsoft knows (or at least behaves as though) they have an effective unchallenged monopoly, and off boarding is too costly an endeavour.
    - gdhkgdhkvff 2y ago
      “Please reconcile that idea with o365” Please explain. Vague insinuations mean nothing.
      - hex3 2y ago
        [flagged]

sleepybrett 2y ago

... and they aren't concerned with what microsoft is doing with it?

kittikitti 2y ago
Microsoft is a monopoly and they've done everything they can to scare people about AI.
ethbr1 2y ago
Part of the hangup is that startups are shit at dealing with enterprise privacy contracts, whereas Microsoft probably has a whole department for that. A product can work however it works, good or bad, but if you can't wrap contractual guarantees around it that are palatable to your enterprise customers, you're not going to get enterprise sales.
simianparrot 2y ago
Can Cursor sign a DPA in addition to an enterprise contract where they actually have to put into concise writing what they are and aren't doing with our data? Microsoft will. Amazon will. But in my experience a lot of smaller players can't or won't. That's a legal blocker.
Gigachad 2y ago
Microsoft already has access to all of your code on Github.
- mistrial9 2y ago
  and your partner network, and your commit patterns, and your bug list, and your remote IP address while working, and you have to authenticate to them each time you use it (which means that they can turn off your access)
- darthwalsh 2y ago
  Many big companies are using GitHub Enterprise Server or some other self-hosted version control. GitHub Copilot works fine with these; just authenticate against github.com first
area51org 2y ago
My company isn't. Apparently, "We've heard of Microsoft" == "They won't do anything wrong with our data" in the minds of non-technical lawyer types.
gdhkgdhkvff 2y ago
This is such a common lazy cynical take on HN. “Microsoft is evil, therefore they will destroy their enterprise customer relationships by stealing their enterprise customer data, despite the fact that they explicitly state they will not do that.” I would understand this mindset when it comes to consumer uses of it, but enterprise is where Microsoft makes its money and it would have to be the dumbest business decision ever to ruin the enterprise cash cow by doing that.
- BeefWellington 2y ago
  Please reconcile that idea with o365. There are areas where Microsoft knows (or at least behaves as though) they have an effective unchallenged monopoly, and off boarding is too costly an endeavour.
  - gdhkgdhkvff 2y ago
    “Please reconcile that idea with o365” Please explain. Vague insinuations mean nothing.
    - hex3 2y ago
      [flagged]