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> Of course their information is biased, but an intelligent person can cut through that and take just the raw information, which has value. You may be intellig

by janice1999 2y ago

> Of course their information is biased, but an intelligent person can cut through that and take just the raw information, which has value. You may be intelligent as an individual but your adversary has teams of PhDs, decades of psychological research and tons of personal information on you, now parsed and analysed by AI to target you. Thinking you can see "raw information" is very naive.

add-sub-mul-div 2y ago
The things you're saying are real on the scale of the entire audience, advertising does work in the aggregate. But I'm stubborn and frugal and skeptical so I'm not buying some new product unless the stars align. I trust myself to be able to hear that it exists from a biased source. Even if you don't believe the claim that X is the best product, it's good to know it exists as a starting point for if/when you ever start research on the options.
- tokioyoyo 2y ago
  If you do any groceries in bigger markets, the shelf positioning and location of the aisle is also a part of advertising. Companies pay premiums for some spots.
  - Fluorescence 2y ago
    As a fellow frugal sceptic, that won't impact us much. We get a little buzz dragging the super value pack off a top shelf or knowing that the bottom shelf economy product is actually made in the same factory as the high priced brand. We are the ones standing in the aisle eyes glazed computing the 1g/£ value of a "get one free offer" vs. the family pack no matter how hard supermarkets obfuscate it with different units on each label. It's a contrarian world-view that assumes by default, that eye-level products have the lowest value. I used to humbly assume I must be vulnerable to advertising but I later realised I actually have years of expenses that show otherwise. They show I am a cheap bastard. I don't make impulse purchases, mostly buy fruit and veg, don't buy branded products if it can be avoided and major purchases will be drawn out optimisation processes with spreadsheets and using return processes to compare alternatives if necessary. What I can humbly reveal is that this is no brag, this is no moral virtue, just a personality trait that is not always rational and comes with swings and roundabouts e.g. good opportunities are rejected with suspicion, important purchases are procrastinated and we can make poor use of our time to indulge our psychology e.g. walk 10 minutes to the next store to buy something for 50p cheaper just because being gouged 50p physically hurts!

add-sub-mul-div 2y ago

The things you're saying are real on the scale of the entire audience, advertising does work in the aggregate. But I'm stubborn and frugal and skeptical so I'm not buying some new product unless the stars align. I trust myself to be able to hear that it exists from a biased source. Even if you don't believe the claim that X is the best product, it's good to know it exists as a starting point for if/when you ever start research on the options.

tokioyoyo 2y ago
If you do any groceries in bigger markets, the shelf positioning and location of the aisle is also a part of advertising. Companies pay premiums for some spots.
- Fluorescence 2y ago
  As a fellow frugal sceptic, that won't impact us much. We get a little buzz dragging the super value pack off a top shelf or knowing that the bottom shelf economy product is actually made in the same factory as the high priced brand. We are the ones standing in the aisle eyes glazed computing the 1g/£ value of a "get one free offer" vs. the family pack no matter how hard supermarkets obfuscate it with different units on each label. It's a contrarian world-view that assumes by default, that eye-level products have the lowest value. I used to humbly assume I must be vulnerable to advertising but I later realised I actually have years of expenses that show otherwise. They show I am a cheap bastard. I don't make impulse purchases, mostly buy fruit and veg, don't buy branded products if it can be avoided and major purchases will be drawn out optimisation processes with spreadsheets and using return processes to compare alternatives if necessary. What I can humbly reveal is that this is no brag, this is no moral virtue, just a personality trait that is not always rational and comes with swings and roundabouts e.g. good opportunities are rejected with suspicion, important purchases are procrastinated and we can make poor use of our time to indulge our psychology e.g. walk 10 minutes to the next store to buy something for 50p cheaper just because being gouged 50p physically hurts!