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Waymo is doing alright in San Francisco as well. That's not directly comparable to Tokyo, either, but I expect it's a much less distant of a comparison than Ph

Waymo is doing alright in San Francisco as well. That's not directly comparable to Tokyo, either, but I expect it's a much less distant of a comparison than Phoenix.

bobthepanda 2y ago
In SF you still have clearly delineated sidewalks with curbs and crossing lights. Japanese side streets are basically equivalent to alleys and cars are guests. There aren’t too many streets like that in the US at all.
nixpulvis 2y ago
I saw a video of a bunch of Waymos backed up on each other being too hesitant to make a turn. Kinda reinforced a fear I have of these things. Not to mention I would hate to try and wave one of these things to turn before me... or wink my headlights. IDK, like I get the appeal for driverless cars, I just still don't like them.
- Aeolun 2y ago
  That… doesn’t sound like such a bad thing to me. I’d rather have my driverless car hesitate (in a safe location) than be too agressive.
  - nixpulvis 2y ago
    Can't wait to get locked in a waymo in a bad part of town.
- cadamsau 2y ago
  Seeing something once doesn’t make it a real phenomenon. Besides, if that is common, Waymo will have data on it and if it’s common enough, they’ll fix it. I’ve sat in Waymos on 2 occasions, each on a separate ride, in which the car avoided collisions that would have happened due to bad human drivers. Your fear is worth examining closely as it’ll hold you back from enjoying this amazing technology.
  - nmstoker 2y ago
    I think you may mean something other than phenomenon ("an observable fact or event"). Seeing anything more than zero times makes it a phenomenon by definition.
KennyBlanken 2y ago
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- carom 2y ago
  They're all over LA. I have taken one a few times. They drive safer than I do.
- dragonwriter 2y ago
  Since this has been updated with a link to info about the “barred from expansion” that was referenced, note that the arricle with actual detail notes that it was an “up to 120 days” suspension by CPUC in February of this year (which would have expired in June at the latest), but CPUC actually approved a major expansion in March (and, after a challenge to that decision and demand for a rehearing, approved it again on a rehearing in June.) [0] So, the idea that they are fleeing to Japan because they’be faced some kind of permanent, or even significant, barrier to expansion in California is wildly incompatible with the facts. > How are things going in Arizona? So badly they pulled their fleet (before state regulators could) and a federal investigation was announced right after: They didn’t pull their fleet, and the article you posted to support this doesn't say they did. It says they did a safety recall to fix an apparent software error; the service is still in operation, and the implication that they ran away in fear of state regulatory action is as baseless as the idea that they have been blocked from further expansion in California. For someone who is accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being an astroturfer or dupe of Waymo propaganda, you seem to be very fond of promoting arguments that twist what is in the notionally-supporting sources to the limit of what would be plausible taking them entirely out of context,and which rely on ignoring every other piece of information ine existence, as if you were not presenting good faith arguments but desperately constructing anti-Waymo propaganda of the same type you accuse your opponents of doing in support of Waymo. [0] https://www.autobodynews.com/news/california-commission-approves-waymo-robotaxi-expansion https://www.autobodynews.com/news/california-commission-appr...
- boulos 2y ago
  You're confusing us with Cruise. Lots of reporting did the same, but we're expanding a lot across California. For example, now anyone can use our service in Los Angeles: https://waymo.com/blog/2024/11/waymo-one-open-to-all-in-los-angeles https://waymo.com/blog/2024/11/waymo-one-open-to-all-in-los-...

Waymo is doing alright in San Francisco as well. That's not directly comparable to Tokyo, either, but I expect it's a much less distant of a comparison than Phoenix.

bobthepanda 2y ago

In SF you still have clearly delineated sidewalks with curbs and crossing lights. Japanese side streets are basically equivalent to alleys and cars are guests. There aren’t too many streets like that in the US at all.

nixpulvis 2y ago

I saw a video of a bunch of Waymos backed up on each other being too hesitant to make a turn. Kinda reinforced a fear I have of these things. Not to mention I would hate to try and wave one of these things to turn before me... or wink my headlights. IDK, like I get the appeal for driverless cars, I just still don't like them.

Aeolun 2y ago
That… doesn’t sound like such a bad thing to me. I’d rather have my driverless car hesitate (in a safe location) than be too agressive.
- nixpulvis 2y ago
  Can't wait to get locked in a waymo in a bad part of town.
cadamsau 2y ago
Seeing something once doesn’t make it a real phenomenon. Besides, if that is common, Waymo will have data on it and if it’s common enough, they’ll fix it. I’ve sat in Waymos on 2 occasions, each on a separate ride, in which the car avoided collisions that would have happened due to bad human drivers. Your fear is worth examining closely as it’ll hold you back from enjoying this amazing technology.
- nmstoker 2y ago
  I think you may mean something other than phenomenon ("an observable fact or event"). Seeing anything more than zero times makes it a phenomenon by definition.

KennyBlanken 2y ago

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carom 2y ago
They're all over LA. I have taken one a few times. They drive safer than I do.
dragonwriter 2y ago
Since this has been updated with a link to info about the “barred from expansion” that was referenced, note that the arricle with actual detail notes that it was an “up to 120 days” suspension by CPUC in February of this year (which would have expired in June at the latest), but CPUC actually approved a major expansion in March (and, after a challenge to that decision and demand for a rehearing, approved it again on a rehearing in June.) [0] So, the idea that they are fleeing to Japan because they’be faced some kind of permanent, or even significant, barrier to expansion in California is wildly incompatible with the facts. > How are things going in Arizona? So badly they pulled their fleet (before state regulators could) and a federal investigation was announced right after: They didn’t pull their fleet, and the article you posted to support this doesn't say they did. It says they did a safety recall to fix an apparent software error; the service is still in operation, and the implication that they ran away in fear of state regulatory action is as baseless as the idea that they have been blocked from further expansion in California. For someone who is accusing everyone who disagrees with you of being an astroturfer or dupe of Waymo propaganda, you seem to be very fond of promoting arguments that twist what is in the notionally-supporting sources to the limit of what would be plausible taking them entirely out of context,and which rely on ignoring every other piece of information ine existence, as if you were not presenting good faith arguments but desperately constructing anti-Waymo propaganda of the same type you accuse your opponents of doing in support of Waymo. [0] https://www.autobodynews.com/news/california-commission-approves-waymo-robotaxi-expansion https://www.autobodynews.com/news/california-commission-appr...
boulos 2y ago
You're confusing us with Cruise. Lots of reporting did the same, but we're expanding a lot across California. For example, now anyone can use our service in Los Angeles: https://waymo.com/blog/2024/11/waymo-one-open-to-all-in-los-angeles https://waymo.com/blog/2024/11/waymo-one-open-to-all-in-los-...