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Wehrmacht was 1935-1945. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmacht https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmacht > Existential threat almost at the door yet 0 reaction

by mtmail 2y ago

Wehrmacht was 1935-1945. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmacht https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wehrmacht > Existential threat almost at the door yet 0 reaction June 2022 "German lawmakers approve 100 billion euro military revamp" https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-lawmakers-approve-100-bln-euro-military-revamp-2022-06-03/ https://www.reuters.com/world/europe/german-lawmakers-approv... > massively under mandatory NATO 2% contributions and 0 attempt to get there. 2015: 1.19%, 2016: 1.20%, 2017: 1.24%, 2018: 1.26%, 2019: 1.36%, 2020: 1.57% (https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2020/10/pdf/pr-2020-104-en.pdf https://www.nato.int/nato_static_fl2014/assets/pdf/2020/10/p...)

bpodgursky 2y ago
You cannot seriously be arguing that going from 1.19% of GDP to 1.57% of GDP in a decade counts as an attempt.
- lukan 2y ago
  1.57 % in 2020. After the invasion and with the 100 mio it is at 2%.
  - holowoodman 2y ago
    No, that isn't a done deal yet: https://www.statista.com/statistics/810406/ratio-of-military-expenditure-to-gross-domestic-product-gdp-germany/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/810406/ratio-of-military... post-cold-war numbers until 2022 are under 1.4% 2023 is still well below 2% at 1.5%: https://www.sipri.org/sites/default/files/2024-04/2404_fs_milex_2023.pdf https://www.sipri.org/sites/default/files/2024-04/2404_fs_mi... 2024 is expected to maybe barely scratch 2%, but maybe only with accounting tricks such as including road and train infra spending: https://www.politico.eu/article/berlin-germany-pump-defense-spending-military-mobility/ https://www.politico.eu/article/berlin-germany-pump-defense-... Also, the 100mio are only expected to last until 2026 at most, and the budget for 2025 led to the blowup of the traffic-light-coalition government and is expected to include major slashes in spending when the next government after the spring election gets working on it.

by mtmail 2y ago

bpodgursky 2y ago

You cannot seriously be arguing that going from 1.19% of GDP to 1.57% of GDP in a decade counts as an attempt.

lukan 2y ago
1.57 % in 2020. After the invasion and with the 100 mio it is at 2%.
- holowoodman 2y ago
  No, that isn't a done deal yet: https://www.statista.com/statistics/810406/ratio-of-military-expenditure-to-gross-domestic-product-gdp-germany/ https://www.statista.com/statistics/810406/ratio-of-military... post-cold-war numbers until 2022 are under 1.4% 2023 is still well below 2% at 1.5%: https://www.sipri.org/sites/default/files/2024-04/2404_fs_milex_2023.pdf https://www.sipri.org/sites/default/files/2024-04/2404_fs_mi... 2024 is expected to maybe barely scratch 2%, but maybe only with accounting tricks such as including road and train infra spending: https://www.politico.eu/article/berlin-germany-pump-defense-spending-military-mobility/ https://www.politico.eu/article/berlin-germany-pump-defense-... Also, the 100mio are only expected to last until 2026 at most, and the budget for 2025 led to the blowup of the traffic-light-coalition government and is expected to include major slashes in spending when the next government after the spring election gets working on it.