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Censorship... zzzZZZzz They're banning app/news delivery app managed by enemy government It is not like they're blocking internet, wikipedia they're banning
by tester756 2y ago
Censorship... zzzZZZzz
They're banning app/news delivery app managed by enemy government
It is not like they're blocking internet, wikipedia
they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app
- lxgr 2y agoIf that were the reason for this legislation, Meta (Instagram Reels) and Google (Youtube Shorts) should be very concerned. It’s the same content.
- tester756 2y agoContent is similar, but the control is in the hands of US, so not the "enemy gov".
- t0bia_s 2y ago- they're banning stupid, memes/brainrot app Imagine same rhetoric by CCP adressing Facebook or YouTube.
- corimaith 2y agoIs 4chan banned here?
- xanderlewis 2y agoYou can imagine it. But they'd be wrong. Facebook and YouTube aren't directly controlled by an enemy government, and likely aren't intending as part of their raison d'être to sow discord and chaos in China.
- t0bia_s 2y agoSo it's about ownership? Just a business? There is no issues with censorship or data harvesting?
- hnfong 2y ago> likely aren't intending as part of their raison d'être to sow discord and chaos in China. This is so revisionist that it's funny. I vividly recall Facebook management celebrating their role in toppling regimes around the world for example the "Arab Spring": https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media%27s_role_in_the_Arab_Spring https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Social_media%27s_role_in_the_A... https://www.thewrap.com/facebooks-sheryl-sandberg-finding-jobs-spurring-arab-spring-31054/ https://www.thewrap.com/facebooks-sheryl-sandberg-finding-jo... I dare you find direct evidence of such quality that Tiktok is trying to do the same in the US.
- camel_Snake 2y agoUS government wasn't very supportive of the Arab Spring. Also, what FB does may at times may be in line with its government interests but that doesn't mean they are being compelled, just they are like-minded. There is some influence of course but it's not like their existence is at the blessing of the President.
- snapcaster 2y agoThen why did all these sites comply with government directives on covid 'misinformation' or gaza? if they say "how high?" when the government says jump who cares what the official on paper corporate structures are?
- t0bia_s 2y agoFB or YouTube comply with enemy government like CCP?
- Cookingboy 2y agoHoly shit do you actually work for the U.S. State Department? Reuter reported this: https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covid-propaganda/ https://www.reuters.com/investigates/special-report/usa-covi... U.S. social media absolutely are controlled by the U.S. government, and we can, and have been able to get any user data we want from them.
- hnpolicestate 2y agoHere is the dividing line rarely discussed openly. I and many other Americans truly believe the United States government and it's oligarchs are their greatest threat to American citizens. Not China, Russia, Iran etc. The latter are certainly threats but they don't have anywhere near the capacity nor desire to limit my rights like the United States does.
- t0bia_s 2y agoYet, most still play voting game.
- t0bia_s 2y ago- enemy government
- xanderlewis 2y agoI’m using the phrase because it was used in the thread above.
- Cthulhu_ 2y agoI'd love to see it tbh, there's a lot of brainrot on those platforms too, to the point where the 2016 elections were in part swayed by stuff being mindlessly shared on facebook. They had to come up with new laws, regulations, and measures against "fake news" and everything, root out foreign influences, increase rules on political advertising, etc.
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- ludston 2y agoThinks that China is an enemy government when the USA and China do 500 billion dollars worth of trade each year.
- curt15 2y agoWhich friendly governments steal secrets about premier weapon systems like F-22, F-35, etc?
- snapcaster 2y agoevery single one. please examine where you got the idea that everything china does is bad and if it's a useful belief for you to hold (and if not, who is it useful for?)
- mrguyorama 2y agoAirbus famously has stolen reams of Boeing secrets.
- pclmulqdq 2y agoLiterally all of them. That's what happens when you build the best weapons.
- coldtea 2y agoAlmost all? Of course one has to differentiate between "friendly" and subordinate semi-protectorates.
- hnfong 2y agoThis friendly government? https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us-spy-agency-tapped-german-chancellery-for-decades-wikileaks-idUSKCN0PI2AD/ https://www.reuters.com/article/world/us-spy-agency-tapped-g...
- pas 2y agoUkraine and Russia also continues to trade gas. Countries pay Gazprom and Ukraine charges Gazprom for transit. Life is not black and white. See also https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/manufacturing-is-a-war-now/ https://www.noahpinion.blog/p/manufacturing-is-a-war-now/
- HKH2 2y agoChinese Tiktok is forcibly wholesome (by Chinese standards). They do not believe in absolute freedom of speech. Now Americans have just conceded that they don't believe in it either. It's good that we're all on the same page now.
- 0xBDB 2y agoIf we were all on the same page the US would have reciprocally banned TikTok as soon as China banned Facebook, i.e., before it even existed, and would also ignore its constitutional guarantee of free speech (which the Chinese, like the Soviets, also have believe it or not) and control content on domestic social networks. If we were even more on the same page generally, then the US would put its undesirable ethnic minorities in reeducation camps.
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- snapcaster 2y agoHoly shit can you people stop with "every point that disagrees with me is a russian propaganda point" are you serious? Can you not conceive of anyone disagreeing with you in good faith without being a state actor? You're literally just declaring a specific kind of speech "not free speech" as if it's a fact and not your arbitrary opinion
- libertine 2y agoI'm not sure if you meant to reply to me, but I was very clear about the point, it wasn't "every point that disagrees with me". Unless you don't think it's relevant to point out that a specific recurring point promoted by and paid for by Russian State media, under the disguise of "conservative free speech"?[0] [0]https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/05/tim-pool-benny-johnson-influencers-russia-disinformation https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/article/2024/sep/05/tim-...
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- flkenosad 2y agoIf your timeline is brainrot it's because the algorithm has determined that is what you like.
- mattgreenrocks 2y agoIt goes beyond the algorithm. Have you seen the garbage that shows up in trending lists?
- BeFlatXIII 2y agoHave you seen the kind of politicians voters elect?
- flkenosad 2y agoNo government is not your friend. The do not care about you. Whether that is US or China or EU, they do not have your best interest at heart. As soon as they no longer need you, you will understand.
- Roark66 2y agoIn general true, but some governments are better than others. For example, would you prefer to live in Xinjang (being Uigur) in China, or let's say in Europe? Also a government of a country can change. Being raised in a communist Poland I was quite used to all government officials treating you quite famously badly. This was still pretty much in full swing around 2004 (many years after the all of Communism) when I emigrated to the UK. Then I went back, full time around 2019. Imagine my surprise when I had one of my first dealings with a tax office (I was registering my company for Vat online and I put in a wrong start date) and it wasn't through registered mail requesting I attend in person at so and so time (to wait 3 hours) and be told I'll be getting a fine. Nope, they rang me, on my phone, and asked if I can please amend it. So I thought, wow, they must have employed a new person who hasn't learned how to put people down properly yet. But then in the course of my business I dealt with social services and such and the same pattern repeated. Now, it is not all dancing cats and roses, the juidiciary is still pretty bad I'm told, but it's not so much about corruption these days, more about ineptitude, slowness and doing their own interpretation of the laws, which they aren't allowed to do in non-precedents system(they can continue mainly because of their independence - can't force people to actually obey the law if they are the law without turning it into a dictatorship, so waiting for them to retire seems to be the only option). So things are bit more nuanced than "all government is equally bad".
- snapcaster 2y agoI'm not saying this like it's some huge deal but i think this comment illustrates my general frustration with discussion on China. Why would you compare the most marginalized group of one society with a normal person in another? Do you think that's fair? If we wanted to do comparisons wouldn't we need to pick the most marginalized groups of people in the West to compare Uigur in Xinjang? Not saying this like China is perfect, i just don't understand why people who seemingly aren't professional propagandists seem to have this "everything china does is bad" narrative in their heads. Like any great country, many horrible _and_ wonderful things have been done there but in the US we only talk about the horrible things and it warps everyone's view
- coldtea 2y ago>They're banning app/news delivery app managed by enemy government The hypocrisy is pretending it was all for "openess" and pointing fingers when other countries did exactly the same for their apps/social media.
- moralestapia 2y ago"I don't like this so I must prevent others from enjoying it"
- BeFlatXIII 2y agoThey should ban domestic stupid memes and brainrot, too.
- hnpolicestate 2y agoYou put zzzzzzzz like this is a nothing burger but the United States has never legally prohibited citizens from viewing news, books and information from foreign countries. It's actually new.
- shlant 2y ago> legally prohibited citizens from viewing news, books and information from foreign countries. Sorry can you point out where they are doing this? because banning tiktok certainly is not doing those things.
- Cthulhu_ 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_censorship_in_the_United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_censorship_in_the_United_... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_banned_by_governments#United_States https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_books_banned_by_govern... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comstock_Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Comstock_Law https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Red_Scare I mean that last one doesn't mention any "legally prohibited" whatnots, but if you were suspected of being a commie because of for example being known to read the wrong thing by the House Un-American Activities Committee you'd be in trouble. Definitely chilling effects.