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The abduction of cruise and Kidmans daughter at the end is one interesting reference to some sordid things. But I did not see the article reference the op-art p

The abduction of cruise and Kidmans daughter at the end is one interesting reference to some sordid things. But I did not see the article reference the op-art painting above the daughters (helena) bed providing another secret reference to something sinister. I recall Kubrick being bothered by the heavy censorship and editing by the UK film board, I wonder if we will ever get to see those removed scenes, what, and why they were removed etc. Kubrick died within a week of the film release, perhaps he knew too much, perhaps not. Maybe prince Andrew did go to Pizza Express.

dh2022 2y ago
And the sinister message above Helena’s bed is hidden in plain sight. It would fit the article very well. I guess the article author was not aware of this.
- benbojangles 2y ago
  I believe Op-Art and other instance were embedded into eyes wide shut as a precautionary move to still get the message out in the event of censorship
throw646577 2y ago
> I recall Kubrick being bothered by the heavy censorship and editing by the UK film board, I wonder if we will ever get to see those removed scenes, what, and why they were removed etc. I don't believe Kubrick had particular problems with the British Board of Film Censors. The BBFC never censored A Clockwork Orange, for example. They passed it without cuts, though they had seen a pre-print of the first completed half of the movie as was the custom, and had been concerned that it might not get certification. The censor commended the final movie. Kubrick personally pulled it from distribution in the UK, after they had passed it and it had a limited release. https://www.bbfc.co.uk/education/case-studies/clockwork-orange https://www.bbfc.co.uk/education/case-studies/clockwork-oran... The BBFC do not and did not edit films. They are not a government body. They did once call themselves censors (the words of the acronym changed in the 80s), but the point of the BBFC was that the film industry was censoring its own work proactively, and maintaining their own certifications, to avoid government doing it. Similar to what the MPA(A) did. They still sometimes suggest edits that would keep a film within a particular certification. In the case of Eyes Wide Shut, it wasn't the BBFC that made any decisions to edit and cut that film; Warner Bros themselves did, based on the US classification they were aiming for. > Kubrick died within a week of the film release, perhaps he knew too much, perhaps not. Or perhaps, after a stressful filming, editing and production schedule, a 70 year old man had a heart attack in his sleep.
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- sleepybrett 2y ago
  If I am remembering properly the only thing warner bros. did to the movie was add some obstructing shadowy figures in the the orgy scene.
  - throw646577 2y ago
    Is there really this new trend as I am reading -- some new QAnon fantasy projection of the misunderstandings around the retraction of A Clockwork Orange onto Eyes Wide Shut to further some twist on the Pizzagate conspiracy?
    - benbojangles 2y ago
      i think you are confusing the Prince Andrew Pizza Express scandal with something entirely tangential.
  - benbojangles 2y ago
    The edited scene with the cloaked obstruction during the orgy is the only known censor, but what we don't know is what was cut/removed as there are no comparisons and no comments possible from the Director/Writer. I guess we could ask Frederic Raphael but he is 93
    - xorbax 2y ago
      But there's not reason to think anything was cut
    - freejazz 2y ago
      There's tons of comments from people who worked on the movie, none of which support the thesis that there's a child rape scene that was cut out or that anything was cut at all.
throw646577 2y ago
> Maybe prince Andrew did go to Pizza Express. If so he did that in 2001, whereas Kubrick died in 1999.
- benbojangles 2y ago
  Epstein & Prince Andrew Years?

dh2022 2y ago

And the sinister message above Helena’s bed is hidden in plain sight. It would fit the article very well. I guess the article author was not aware of this.

benbojangles 2y ago
I believe Op-Art and other instance were embedded into eyes wide shut as a precautionary move to still get the message out in the event of censorship

throw646577 2y ago

> I recall Kubrick being bothered by the heavy censorship and editing by the UK film board, I wonder if we will ever get to see those removed scenes, what, and why they were removed etc. I don't believe Kubrick had particular problems with the British Board of Film Censors. The BBFC never censored A Clockwork Orange, for example. They passed it without cuts, though they had seen a pre-print of the first completed half of the movie as was the custom, and had been concerned that it might not get certification. The censor commended the final movie. Kubrick personally pulled it from distribution in the UK, after they had passed it and it had a limited release. https://www.bbfc.co.uk/education/case-studies/clockwork-orange https://www.bbfc.co.uk/education/case-studies/clockwork-oran... The BBFC do not and did not edit films. They are not a government body. They did once call themselves censors (the words of the acronym changed in the 80s), but the point of the BBFC was that the film industry was censoring its own work proactively, and maintaining their own certifications, to avoid government doing it. Similar to what the MPA(A) did. They still sometimes suggest edits that would keep a film within a particular certification. In the case of Eyes Wide Shut, it wasn't the BBFC that made any decisions to edit and cut that film; Warner Bros themselves did, based on the US classification they were aiming for. > Kubrick died within a week of the film release, perhaps he knew too much, perhaps not. Or perhaps, after a stressful filming, editing and production schedule, a 70 year old man had a heart attack in his sleep.

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sleepybrett 2y ago
If I am remembering properly the only thing warner bros. did to the movie was add some obstructing shadowy figures in the the orgy scene.
- throw646577 2y ago
  Is there really this new trend as I am reading -- some new QAnon fantasy projection of the misunderstandings around the retraction of A Clockwork Orange onto Eyes Wide Shut to further some twist on the Pizzagate conspiracy?
  - benbojangles 2y ago
    i think you are confusing the Prince Andrew Pizza Express scandal with something entirely tangential.
- benbojangles 2y ago
  The edited scene with the cloaked obstruction during the orgy is the only known censor, but what we don't know is what was cut/removed as there are no comparisons and no comments possible from the Director/Writer. I guess we could ask Frederic Raphael but he is 93
  - xorbax 2y ago
    But there's not reason to think anything was cut
  - freejazz 2y ago
    There's tons of comments from people who worked on the movie, none of which support the thesis that there's a child rape scene that was cut out or that anything was cut at all.

throw646577 2y ago

> Maybe prince Andrew did go to Pizza Express. If so he did that in 2001, whereas Kubrick died in 1999.

benbojangles 2y ago
Epstein & Prince Andrew Years?