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Scandal in Russian military town as new school is decorated with F-16 images

26 points by type0 2y ago

talldayo 2y ago
You can tell it's American because Russia doesn't make single engine fighters.
- everybodyknows 2y ago
  Interesting that the school officials felt they had to lie, despite it being so obvious to anyone who can Google "SU-27".
  - throwaway48476 2y ago
    "It didn't happen but we fixed it" so no one needs to be help accountable. It's not like they want to send the kids who did it to prison. Russian society operates as an efficient unaccountability machine.
    - protomolecule 2y ago
      >It's not like they want to send the kids who did it to prison. You have a very weird impression of Russia.
      - throwaway48476 2y ago
        In this case they don't want to.
        protomolecule 2y ago
        Funny. And in which case kids were sent to prison?
- cr125rider 2y ago
  They can’t make an engine reliable enough to only have one.
  - talldayo 2y ago
    If Russia isn't bluffing about the Su-75 (fat chance), then supposedly they've got a design that can suit the task. But nothing is in operational service yet, so it's all one big nothingburger until then.
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piskov 2y ago
This one is very common as every (insert your country) designer googles images of jets, tanks, what have you. Happens every year on every side of multifaceted aisle.
- gpm 2y ago
  For example, a few months ago the Canadian conservative party made a political ad talking about fighter jets conducting a training mission to defend Canada... On top of video of Russian fighter jets: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservatives-video-deleted-russian-jets-1.7298754 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservatives-video-deleted...
- EA-3167 2y ago
  This is true, but it probably remains a real faux pas in an autocracy that's currently invading a country which is defending itself using... F-16's.
wumeow 2y ago
That embedded video is equally hilarious and depressing, especially at 1:26. Starship-Troopers-level cartoonishness.
protomolecule 2y ago
That's an international problem) Su-27: https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/pr6ppb/us_air_force_celebrates_its_birthday_by_posting_a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/pr6ppb/us_air_for... Typhoon submarine: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2021/04/01/april-fool-russian-sub-appears-on-us-navy-poster/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2021/04/01/april-...
pseudony 2y ago
So. Can we put the idea to bed about bad Putin, poor Russians ? This is a marketing video aimed at parents enrolling their kids. That they want you to see this tells a hell of a lot about societal values. Go look up some of the surviving Hitler jugend footage, or the militaristic scouts clubs in later East-Germany. Isn't it getting a little too close for comfort ?
- xanderlewis 2y ago
  It’s a matter of poor brainwashed people. So, yes — it is the people of Russia’s fault, but not everyone has access to sensible information. And any given individual, quite rationally, doesn’t want to risk their life to make a pointless stand. Also, I guess many find it hard to believe their beloved country could really be so corrupt and perpetrate such evil. And that’s understandable.
  - usrusr 2y ago
    Being $bad because of $ideology is no excuse for being $bad. That causal vector can be amazingly helpful for forgiveness at a later point in time, but forgiveness cannot start before being $bad stops. Preemptive forgiveness is a terrible idea.
  - troad 2y ago
    Letting yourself buy into the regime narratives takes, at the very least, complicity. The people in Russia know the state narrative is unreliable. They know there exist other narratives out there. They choose not to seek them out. It's wilful oblivion. Wired published a great recount of what choosing oblivion looks like, and how it fails you: https://www.wired.com/story/russia-invaded-ukraine-choice-propaganda-death/ https://www.wired.com/story/russia-invaded-ukraine-choice-pr... (https://archive.is/ZkYzd https://archive.is/ZkYzd).
    - dvfjsdhgfv 2y ago
      > They choose not to seek them out. Some of them. And the answer to "how many?" is incredibly hard to answer.
throwaway984393 2y ago
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zokier 2y ago
> The F-16 is the fighter jet that has been used for several decades by nearby Nordic neighbors Norway and Finland. Just to be clear, Finland has never operated F-16. Royal Norwegian Air Force retired their F-16 fleet few years ago, replacing it with F-35.
m463 2y ago
I found it interesting that the F-16 is now flown by Ukranian pilots: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon#Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting...

26 points by type0 2y ago

talldayo 2y ago

You can tell it's American because Russia doesn't make single engine fighters.

everybodyknows 2y ago
Interesting that the school officials felt they had to lie, despite it being so obvious to anyone who can Google "SU-27".
- throwaway48476 2y ago
  "It didn't happen but we fixed it" so no one needs to be help accountable. It's not like they want to send the kids who did it to prison. Russian society operates as an efficient unaccountability machine.
  - protomolecule 2y ago
    >It's not like they want to send the kids who did it to prison. You have a very weird impression of Russia.
    - throwaway48476 2y ago
      In this case they don't want to.
      - protomolecule 2y ago
        Funny. And in which case kids were sent to prison?
cr125rider 2y ago
They can’t make an engine reliable enough to only have one.
- talldayo 2y ago
  If Russia isn't bluffing about the Su-75 (fat chance), then supposedly they've got a design that can suit the task. But nothing is in operational service yet, so it's all one big nothingburger until then.

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piskov 2y ago

This one is very common as every (insert your country) designer googles images of jets, tanks, what have you. Happens every year on every side of multifaceted aisle.

gpm 2y ago
For example, a few months ago the Canadian conservative party made a political ad talking about fighter jets conducting a training mission to defend Canada... On top of video of Russian fighter jets: https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservatives-video-deleted-russian-jets-1.7298754 https://www.cbc.ca/news/politics/conservatives-video-deleted...
EA-3167 2y ago
This is true, but it probably remains a real faux pas in an autocracy that's currently invading a country which is defending itself using... F-16's.

wumeow 2y ago

That embedded video is equally hilarious and depressing, especially at 1:26. Starship-Troopers-level cartoonishness.

protomolecule 2y ago

That's an international problem) Su-27: https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/pr6ppb/us_air_force_celebrates_its_birthday_by_posting_a/ https://www.reddit.com/r/aviation/comments/pr6ppb/us_air_for... Typhoon submarine: https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2021/04/01/april-fool-russian-sub-appears-on-us-navy-poster/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/davidhambling/2021/04/01/april-...

pseudony 2y ago

So. Can we put the idea to bed about bad Putin, poor Russians ? This is a marketing video aimed at parents enrolling their kids. That they want you to see this tells a hell of a lot about societal values. Go look up some of the surviving Hitler jugend footage, or the militaristic scouts clubs in later East-Germany. Isn't it getting a little too close for comfort ?

xanderlewis 2y ago
It’s a matter of poor brainwashed people. So, yes — it is the people of Russia’s fault, but not everyone has access to sensible information. And any given individual, quite rationally, doesn’t want to risk their life to make a pointless stand. Also, I guess many find it hard to believe their beloved country could really be so corrupt and perpetrate such evil. And that’s understandable.
- usrusr 2y ago
  Being $bad because of $ideology is no excuse for being $bad. That causal vector can be amazingly helpful for forgiveness at a later point in time, but forgiveness cannot start before being $bad stops. Preemptive forgiveness is a terrible idea.
- troad 2y ago
  Letting yourself buy into the regime narratives takes, at the very least, complicity. The people in Russia know the state narrative is unreliable. They know there exist other narratives out there. They choose not to seek them out. It's wilful oblivion. Wired published a great recount of what choosing oblivion looks like, and how it fails you: https://www.wired.com/story/russia-invaded-ukraine-choice-propaganda-death/ https://www.wired.com/story/russia-invaded-ukraine-choice-pr... (https://archive.is/ZkYzd https://archive.is/ZkYzd).
  - dvfjsdhgfv 2y ago
    > They choose not to seek them out. Some of them. And the answer to "how many?" is incredibly hard to answer.

throwaway984393 2y ago

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zokier 2y ago

> The F-16 is the fighter jet that has been used for several decades by nearby Nordic neighbors Norway and Finland. Just to be clear, Finland has never operated F-16. Royal Norwegian Air Force retired their F-16 fleet few years ago, replacing it with F-35.

m463 2y ago

I found it interesting that the F-16 is now flown by Ukranian pilots: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting_Falcon#Ukraine https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/General_Dynamics_F-16_Fighting...