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A few weeks ago my OpenAI credits expired and I was billed to replace them. I had no idea this was the business model, fine you got me with your auto-renew scam

A few weeks ago my OpenAI credits expired and I was billed to replace them. I had no idea this was the business model, fine you got me with your auto-renew scam because you decided my tokens were spoiled. At some point, OpenAI became who they said they werent. You can't even get chatgpt to do anything fun anymore as the lawyers have hobbled its creative expression. And now they want to fight with Elon over what they supposedly used to believe about money back in 2017. Who actually deserves our support going forward?

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pc86 2y ago
Expiring tokens is a pretty standard business model. Are they lying and saying the tokens never expire?
- hermannj314 2y ago
  Nope they aren't lying, but they lost me as a customer. My Arby's gift card lasted longer than my OpenAI credits, it's a horrible business model and I wish them luck, but I won't be a part of supporting bad models.
  - selimthegrim 2y ago
    Don’t give them any ideas. Next time Starbucks will be popping up in the ChatGPT output, offering to convert your unused tokens to rewards there.
  - nitwit005 2y ago
    Several states banned expiring gift cards. The gift card companies put up signs saying "never expires!" as advertisements in those states. Ethics aren't exactly abundant with this stuff.
- Dylan16807 2y ago
  Standard for who? That's awful model that probably shouldn't be legal. They're already getting a free loan for a service that gets cheaper to provide over time. At most, tokens should expire after years of inactivity and multiple warnings to reset the timer.
  - pc86 2y ago
    "I don't like this thing, so rather than not support that business model the government should make it illegal."
    - Dylan16807 2y ago
      What's your argument? Surely you know that whether that's a reasonable position depends on what "this thing" is. If "this thing" is a business model that puts money in an account and then makes the money expire, I think it should be illegal just like gift card expiration often is. There's no reason to prefer consumer pressure against predatory practices. And their business would run just fine without that aspect. It's not important to their overall business model.
sadeshmukh 2y ago
The free credit or the tokens? Because that's a very different story.
- hermannj314 2y ago
  One year ago I gave openAi $100 to have credits for small hobby projects that use their API. They expired and disappeared and then openAi charged me $100 to reload my lost money. I am sure this is what I agreed to, but I personally thought I was hacked or something because I didnt expect this behavior from them. They lost me as an API user and monthly chatgpt plus user. I hope it was worth it. They want enterprise, business, and pro users anyway and not my small potatoes.
  - sumedh 2y ago
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    - lupire 2y ago
      > They expired and disappeared There's no button for that.
nova22033 2y ago
And now they want to fight with Elon Elon sued OpenAI, not the other way around
qingcharles 2y ago
ChatGPT is way less hobbled than Gemini or Claude.

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pc86 2y ago

Expiring tokens is a pretty standard business model. Are they lying and saying the tokens never expire?

hermannj314 2y ago
Nope they aren't lying, but they lost me as a customer. My Arby's gift card lasted longer than my OpenAI credits, it's a horrible business model and I wish them luck, but I won't be a part of supporting bad models.
- selimthegrim 2y ago
  Don’t give them any ideas. Next time Starbucks will be popping up in the ChatGPT output, offering to convert your unused tokens to rewards there.
- nitwit005 2y ago
  Several states banned expiring gift cards. The gift card companies put up signs saying "never expires!" as advertisements in those states. Ethics aren't exactly abundant with this stuff.
Dylan16807 2y ago
Standard for who? That's awful model that probably shouldn't be legal. They're already getting a free loan for a service that gets cheaper to provide over time. At most, tokens should expire after years of inactivity and multiple warnings to reset the timer.
- pc86 2y ago
  "I don't like this thing, so rather than not support that business model the government should make it illegal."
  - Dylan16807 2y ago
    What's your argument? Surely you know that whether that's a reasonable position depends on what "this thing" is. If "this thing" is a business model that puts money in an account and then makes the money expire, I think it should be illegal just like gift card expiration often is. There's no reason to prefer consumer pressure against predatory practices. And their business would run just fine without that aspect. It's not important to their overall business model.

sadeshmukh 2y ago

The free credit or the tokens? Because that's a very different story.

hermannj314 2y ago
One year ago I gave openAi $100 to have credits for small hobby projects that use their API. They expired and disappeared and then openAi charged me $100 to reload my lost money. I am sure this is what I agreed to, but I personally thought I was hacked or something because I didnt expect this behavior from them. They lost me as an API user and monthly chatgpt plus user. I hope it was worth it. They want enterprise, business, and pro users anyway and not my small potatoes.
- sumedh 2y ago
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  - lupire 2y ago
    > They expired and disappeared There's no button for that.

nova22033 2y ago

And now they want to fight with Elon Elon sued OpenAI, not the other way around

qingcharles 2y ago

ChatGPT is way less hobbled than Gemini or Claude.