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For cars the US does have Tesla, Lucid, and Rivian. The first two are vertically integrated, making as many of their own components as possible. We also have I

For cars the US does have Tesla, Lucid, and Rivian. The first two are vertically integrated, making as many of their own components as possible. We also have Intel, and a pretty great rocket company.

TeMPOraL 2y ago
> For cars the US does have Tesla (...) We also have (...) a pretty great rocket company And yet you all wish you didn't. Well, maybe not everyone, but it's the dominant view. This brings back a memory of a HN comment from a little over a decade ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7885128 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7885128 I'll just quote it in full: <quote cite='natural219'> If you want to track the death of the cultural vision of Silicon Valley -- the belief that some people, at least, can rise above petty human squabbling and competition and are legitimately working to better humanity -- look no further than this thread. Every top comment is a skeptical one. "This is clearly a great PR move, but has no teeth." "How do you enforce this guarantee?" Etc. These are reasonable questions, but as Shaw said, all progress comes from unreasonable men. I cannot help but be fundamentally depressed as I read these comments. In my view, Elon Musk has, moreso than any other human except maybe Bill Gates, given every absolute inch of human effort and genius to fight to solve the world's biggest problems. And all we have for him, after benefiting freely from the fruit of his labor, is skepticism. We want more. It's not enough. It's never enough. Yes, Tesla Motors is a company operating in a media-hyped 2014 America. I know some of you are butthurt that he engages in the same "dishonest" PR tactics that other companies do. GET THE FUCK OVER IT. The end product he's producing will save humanity. That all of America has not rallied behind Musk and Tesla as the most important movement and achievement in the last 100 years of human history absolutely blows my mind. Not only do we not recognize his goals or his achievements, we actively try and bring him down and shit on his accomplishments. "Well, they invented a pretty cool electric motor, sure, but they were kind of dishonest in that one press release that one time." Go fuck yourself. I want to say "I'm done with Hacker News", but we know that's not true. I'm supremely disappointed in all of you. Godspeed, Musk. I thought this was a great announcement, and I'm behind you 100%. I just hope you can finish your work before our shitty, myopic, destructive society tears you down. Here's to faith. </quote> Elon Musk may have changed for the worse since then, but nowhere near as much and as fast as our "shitty, myopic, destructive society", and in particular the Internet commentariat.
- DennisP 2y ago
  Definitely not me. I was a huge Musk fan back in 2014. These days I'm less thrilled with his new focus on politics, but Tesla and SpaceX are more than just Musk and we're far better off having them. If not for these companies, we'd probably still be convinced by legacy auto that EVs weren't practical and nobody wanted them, and by legacy aerospace that reusable rockets were a bad idea and only large government-run projects could get to orbit. And that's just the beginning. Between Starship and FSD, the impact of these two companies could end up far greater than what we've seen so far. It'd be a shame to miss out on the sci-fi wonder of it all just due to the CEO's personality and politics.
- Animats 2y ago
  > Elon Musk may have changed for the worse since then The drug use became known in 2017, and it seems to be getting worse.[1] The timeline of Tesla shows the successful innovation happening before then.[2] Then bad stuff started happening. [1] https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e1 https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e... [2] https://www.thestreet.com/technology/history-of-tesla-15088992 https://www.thestreet.com/technology/history-of-tesla-150889...
- naming_the_user 2y ago
  Well said. In as much as I enjoy the discussions on this website (hence still visiting often...), I find there to be a few weirdly almost anti-factual positions. Elon hatred being one. The launch of the Model S as a mass market vehicle was _magical_. Like holy shit levels of wow, you can drive this thing across the US and then Europe with a charging network and it _works_ and it scales. Every EV on the market today owes its' existence to that success against the odds. A second one that comes to mind is the continuous bias against cryptocurrency with the refrain usually being that "it's not useful" or something. Exactly backwards - all of the scams and craziness and shitcoins etc are occuring precisely because it is useful, it's an absolute game changer to have a digital asset and despite even the maximalists worrying about things like 50% attacks or bugs we're 16 years on from bitcoin.pdf and it's STILL HERE. There are plenty of others, it's sometimes very difficult for me to fathom why the site seems to take irrational stances seemingly randomly.
chrisco255 2y ago
Nvidia is also American, so is AMD.

For cars the US does have Tesla, Lucid, and Rivian. The first two are vertically integrated, making as many of their own components as possible. We also have Intel, and a pretty great rocket company.

TeMPOraL 2y ago

> For cars the US does have Tesla (...) We also have (...) a pretty great rocket company And yet you all wish you didn't. Well, maybe not everyone, but it's the dominant view. This brings back a memory of a HN comment from a little over a decade ago: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7885128 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=7885128 I'll just quote it in full: <quote cite='natural219'> If you want to track the death of the cultural vision of Silicon Valley -- the belief that some people, at least, can rise above petty human squabbling and competition and are legitimately working to better humanity -- look no further than this thread. Every top comment is a skeptical one. "This is clearly a great PR move, but has no teeth." "How do you enforce this guarantee?" Etc. These are reasonable questions, but as Shaw said, all progress comes from unreasonable men. I cannot help but be fundamentally depressed as I read these comments. In my view, Elon Musk has, moreso than any other human except maybe Bill Gates, given every absolute inch of human effort and genius to fight to solve the world's biggest problems. And all we have for him, after benefiting freely from the fruit of his labor, is skepticism. We want more. It's not enough. It's never enough. Yes, Tesla Motors is a company operating in a media-hyped 2014 America. I know some of you are butthurt that he engages in the same "dishonest" PR tactics that other companies do. GET THE FUCK OVER IT. The end product he's producing will save humanity. That all of America has not rallied behind Musk and Tesla as the most important movement and achievement in the last 100 years of human history absolutely blows my mind. Not only do we not recognize his goals or his achievements, we actively try and bring him down and shit on his accomplishments. "Well, they invented a pretty cool electric motor, sure, but they were kind of dishonest in that one press release that one time." Go fuck yourself. I want to say "I'm done with Hacker News", but we know that's not true. I'm supremely disappointed in all of you. Godspeed, Musk. I thought this was a great announcement, and I'm behind you 100%. I just hope you can finish your work before our shitty, myopic, destructive society tears you down. Here's to faith. </quote> Elon Musk may have changed for the worse since then, but nowhere near as much and as fast as our "shitty, myopic, destructive society", and in particular the Internet commentariat.

DennisP 2y ago
Definitely not me. I was a huge Musk fan back in 2014. These days I'm less thrilled with his new focus on politics, but Tesla and SpaceX are more than just Musk and we're far better off having them. If not for these companies, we'd probably still be convinced by legacy auto that EVs weren't practical and nobody wanted them, and by legacy aerospace that reusable rockets were a bad idea and only large government-run projects could get to orbit. And that's just the beginning. Between Starship and FSD, the impact of these two companies could end up far greater than what we've seen so far. It'd be a shame to miss out on the sci-fi wonder of it all just due to the CEO's personality and politics.
Animats 2y ago
> Elon Musk may have changed for the worse since then The drug use became known in 2017, and it seems to be getting worse.[1] The timeline of Tesla shows the successful innovation happening before then.[2] Then bad stuff started happening. [1] https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e1 https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e... [2] https://www.thestreet.com/technology/history-of-tesla-15088992 https://www.thestreet.com/technology/history-of-tesla-150889...
naming_the_user 2y ago
Well said. In as much as I enjoy the discussions on this website (hence still visiting often...), I find there to be a few weirdly almost anti-factual positions. Elon hatred being one. The launch of the Model S as a mass market vehicle was _magical_. Like holy shit levels of wow, you can drive this thing across the US and then Europe with a charging network and it _works_ and it scales. Every EV on the market today owes its' existence to that success against the odds. A second one that comes to mind is the continuous bias against cryptocurrency with the refrain usually being that "it's not useful" or something. Exactly backwards - all of the scams and craziness and shitcoins etc are occuring precisely because it is useful, it's an absolute game changer to have a digital asset and despite even the maximalists worrying about things like 50% attacks or bugs we're 16 years on from bitcoin.pdf and it's STILL HERE. There are plenty of others, it's sometimes very difficult for me to fathom why the site seems to take irrational stances seemingly randomly.

chrisco255 2y ago

Nvidia is also American, so is AMD.