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And those other 4 out of 10 are very clearly not commercial airlines. I live in NJ was very skeptical of this at first, but after seeing the same patterns 5 nig

by abuani 2y ago

And those other 4 out of 10 are very clearly not commercial airlines. I live in NJ was very skeptical of this at first, but after seeing the same patterns 5 nights in a row for aircrafts not going towards Newark, I really have a hard time believing it is simply airlines.

wbl 2y ago
Which ones clearly aren't that or a police helicopter?
Aeolun 2y ago
Sure, I’m not saying there’s nothing, but there’s clearly some component of hysteria.
- abuani 2y ago
  Oh, very much so some elements of mass hysteria. It took the better part of two weeks for authorities to recognize it, then it was "nothing to see here", then FBI is investigating. It sucks that one of our state representatives is out their claiming it's Iran and stoking further tensions. My personal feeling is if it was enemy drones, our military would have already taken them down. It's hard to imagine we'd let this go on for many weeks without a response. But it's also hard to imagine military testing so obviously over public space. So who knows lol
  - llamaimperative 2y ago
    > My personal feeling is if it was enemy drones, our military would have already taken them down I think you overestimate a few things here… the military isn’t constantly monitoring all airspace across the country for drone-sized objects and shooting things down if they don’t recognize them. Perhaps they should be as we enter this brave new world of drone-everything, but they don’t right now.
    - abuani 2y ago
      NJ has some of the leading research centers for the US military, our new president's second estate, and critical infrastructure for telecommunications. Reportedly drones were flying close to all of these spots. I would fully expect our military to be monitoring these parts of the country for drone-sized objects given how effective they have been in waging our wars the past 20 years. So yeah, it's a massive intelligence failure if these are combatant drones.
      - dylan604 2y ago
        ahem, our president-elect. he is not the new president, yet.
      - vaxman 2y ago
        20 years lol Off by a factor of 2.5x, but your expectation is reasonable --so is having a Defense Secretary that tells his staff when he's checking into the hospital for a serious medical condition and an airspace that doesn't allow balloons to get within range of broadcasting firmware updates to ESP32s. https://www.app.com/story/news/local/new-jersey/2024/12/11/drones-over-new-jersey-likely-military-or-defense-contractor-expert-pramod-abichandani/76898388007/ https://www.app.com/story/news/local/new-jersey/2024/12/11/d...
        ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y ago
        > Abichandani has no idea as of now whether the drones over New Jersey are swarming drones. Then this article goes on to speculate about scary things.
        vaxman 2y ago
        ..and Abichandani is reported to be an actual academic (in drone swarming technology) at a prestigious university that is local to the observations, not an enthusiast or politician! In next room, I have a nearly 100yo man who, in a small group of people using computers with (literal) core memory, invented the technology, satellites and delivery systems to do Reconnaissance from orbit and more importantly, to spot the first signatures of arial weapons systems, yet downvoted here in the dystopian future when I merely correct the peanut gallery for spreading obvious fiction that America's ability to spot drones does not go back further than 20 years (or that the internal proprietary code of the latest ESP32 series Chinese MCUs has the well known ability to receive firmware updates via RF, even from Chinese balloons, Chinese LEO Starlink competitors and yes, drones).
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  - ericjmorey 2y ago
    He's the one that got elected as a Democratic candidate and switched to the Republican party about a month after he was elected.
  - deleted 2y ago
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- _Wintermute 2y ago
  Reminds me of the hysteria we had about drones shutting down an airport in the UK, with loads of reported sightings yet no evidence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatwick_Airport_drone_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatwick_Airport_drone_incident
- hersko 2y ago
  It's not hysteria if UFOs start showing up en-masse and then people start thinking everything in the sky is a UFO. It just means people are more likely to attribute lights in the night sky to this new phenomenon. Of course there will be false positives, but it does not mean the underlying issue exists.
  - ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
    Everything in the sky is a UFO until it's identified.
ricksunny 2y ago
There is supposed to be an elemwent of 'mimicry' on the part of the Phenomenon. Kelleher in his work with AAWSAP was the most vocal in studying & concluding that aspect: https://www.rdrnews.com/opinion/columnists/drones-mimicry-and-deception-oh-my/article_3227e326-b41a-11ef-beba-635327989fc3.html https://www.rdrnews.com/opinion/columnists/drones-mimicry-an...
- lxgr 2y ago
  I'm very sorry, as it's probably a perfectly respectable local news source, but: Did you just link a Roswell newspaper article on UFOs? :)
mp05 2y ago
Stop believing your lying eyes for they deceive you. Here, read this, it will calm your nerves.
- bee_rider 2y ago
  Most of us have not actually seen these things. We’ve just seen social media posts about them.
murderfs 2y ago
I believe the other 3 pictures are this helicopter: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ab19fa&lat=39.865&lon=-74.597&zoom=9.3&showTrace=2024-12-09&timestamp=1733703784 https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ab19fa&lat=39.865&lon=-... Image 8 is too blurry to make out, but it's probably also a plane.
- sandos 2y ago
  I would agree with that! It matches the curvature of the fuselage in one point, and there is an image with faintly visible nav lights on this page: https://www.anthelionhelicopters.com/flight-training/add-on-ratings/ https://www.anthelionhelicopters.com/flight-training/add-on-... which matches the images as well, with the green light bright, so its likely flying head-on in the picture.
toofy 2y ago
why hasn’t someone got decent pictures to back this up after five nights?
- roflyear 2y ago
  The drones only operate at night and it's hard taking good pictures at night with phones (or even nice cameras) - try to take a picture of the moon, which isn't moving, is brighter, etc.. you can tell it's the moon but it's a lot quality picture.
  - Aeolun 2y ago
    Drones are a lot closer than the moon. I’m fairly certain my middle of the line camera can do better than what I see on that article.
    - gloflo 2y ago
      Drones are small while the moon is far away.
    - roflyear 2y ago
      Why argue online? Just try to take a picture outside of a streetlight, or something, in a dark area. You'll see what I mean.
motorest 2y ago
> And those other 4 out of 10 are very clearly not commercial airlines. Cool, so a simple cursory glance of these mysterious phenomena is enough to immediately call bullshit on 60% of the claims. That's a heck of a false positive rate, given the fact that this happens before any verification takes place. If at least 60% of the claims given the same credibility are outright rejected without any effort, what does it say about the claims and those who make them?

by abuani 2y ago

wbl 2y ago

Which ones clearly aren't that or a police helicopter?

Aeolun 2y ago

Sure, I’m not saying there’s nothing, but there’s clearly some component of hysteria.

abuani 2y ago
Oh, very much so some elements of mass hysteria. It took the better part of two weeks for authorities to recognize it, then it was "nothing to see here", then FBI is investigating. It sucks that one of our state representatives is out their claiming it's Iran and stoking further tensions. My personal feeling is if it was enemy drones, our military would have already taken them down. It's hard to imagine we'd let this go on for many weeks without a response. But it's also hard to imagine military testing so obviously over public space. So who knows lol
- llamaimperative 2y ago
  > My personal feeling is if it was enemy drones, our military would have already taken them down I think you overestimate a few things here… the military isn’t constantly monitoring all airspace across the country for drone-sized objects and shooting things down if they don’t recognize them. Perhaps they should be as we enter this brave new world of drone-everything, but they don’t right now.
  - abuani 2y ago
    NJ has some of the leading research centers for the US military, our new president's second estate, and critical infrastructure for telecommunications. Reportedly drones were flying close to all of these spots. I would fully expect our military to be monitoring these parts of the country for drone-sized objects given how effective they have been in waging our wars the past 20 years. So yeah, it's a massive intelligence failure if these are combatant drones.
    - dylan604 2y ago
      ahem, our president-elect. he is not the new president, yet.
    - vaxman 2y ago
      20 years lol Off by a factor of 2.5x, but your expectation is reasonable --so is having a Defense Secretary that tells his staff when he's checking into the hospital for a serious medical condition and an airspace that doesn't allow balloons to get within range of broadcasting firmware updates to ESP32s. https://www.app.com/story/news/local/new-jersey/2024/12/11/drones-over-new-jersey-likely-military-or-defense-contractor-expert-pramod-abichandani/76898388007/ https://www.app.com/story/news/local/new-jersey/2024/12/11/d...
      - ZYbCRq22HbJ2y7 2y ago
        > Abichandani has no idea as of now whether the drones over New Jersey are swarming drones. Then this article goes on to speculate about scary things.
        vaxman 2y ago
        ..and Abichandani is reported to be an actual academic (in drone swarming technology) at a prestigious university that is local to the observations, not an enthusiast or politician! In next room, I have a nearly 100yo man who, in a small group of people using computers with (literal) core memory, invented the technology, satellites and delivery systems to do Reconnaissance from orbit and more importantly, to spot the first signatures of arial weapons systems, yet downvoted here in the dystopian future when I merely correct the peanut gallery for spreading obvious fiction that America's ability to spot drones does not go back further than 20 years (or that the internal proprietary code of the latest ESP32 series Chinese MCUs has the well known ability to receive firmware updates via RF, even from Chinese balloons, Chinese LEO Starlink competitors and yes, drones).
- deleted 2y ago
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- ericjmorey 2y ago
  He's the one that got elected as a Democratic candidate and switched to the Republican party about a month after he was elected.
- deleted 2y ago
  [deleted]
_Wintermute 2y ago
Reminds me of the hysteria we had about drones shutting down an airport in the UK, with loads of reported sightings yet no evidence. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatwick_Airport_drone_incident https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gatwick_Airport_drone_incident
hersko 2y ago
It's not hysteria if UFOs start showing up en-masse and then people start thinking everything in the sky is a UFO. It just means people are more likely to attribute lights in the night sky to this new phenomenon. Of course there will be false positives, but it does not mean the underlying issue exists.
- ImPostingOnHN 2y ago
  Everything in the sky is a UFO until it's identified.

ricksunny 2y ago

There is supposed to be an elemwent of 'mimicry' on the part of the Phenomenon. Kelleher in his work with AAWSAP was the most vocal in studying & concluding that aspect: https://www.rdrnews.com/opinion/columnists/drones-mimicry-and-deception-oh-my/article_3227e326-b41a-11ef-beba-635327989fc3.html https://www.rdrnews.com/opinion/columnists/drones-mimicry-an...

lxgr 2y ago
I'm very sorry, as it's probably a perfectly respectable local news source, but: Did you just link a Roswell newspaper article on UFOs? :)

mp05 2y ago

Stop believing your lying eyes for they deceive you. Here, read this, it will calm your nerves.

bee_rider 2y ago
Most of us have not actually seen these things. We’ve just seen social media posts about them.

murderfs 2y ago

I believe the other 3 pictures are this helicopter: https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ab19fa&lat=39.865&lon=-74.597&zoom=9.3&showTrace=2024-12-09&timestamp=1733703784 https://globe.adsbexchange.com/?icao=ab19fa&lat=39.865&lon=-... Image 8 is too blurry to make out, but it's probably also a plane.

sandos 2y ago
I would agree with that! It matches the curvature of the fuselage in one point, and there is an image with faintly visible nav lights on this page: https://www.anthelionhelicopters.com/flight-training/add-on-ratings/ https://www.anthelionhelicopters.com/flight-training/add-on-... which matches the images as well, with the green light bright, so its likely flying head-on in the picture.

toofy 2y ago

why hasn’t someone got decent pictures to back this up after five nights?

roflyear 2y ago
The drones only operate at night and it's hard taking good pictures at night with phones (or even nice cameras) - try to take a picture of the moon, which isn't moving, is brighter, etc.. you can tell it's the moon but it's a lot quality picture.
- Aeolun 2y ago
  Drones are a lot closer than the moon. I’m fairly certain my middle of the line camera can do better than what I see on that article.
  - gloflo 2y ago
    Drones are small while the moon is far away.
  - roflyear 2y ago
    Why argue online? Just try to take a picture outside of a streetlight, or something, in a dark area. You'll see what I mean.

motorest 2y ago

> And those other 4 out of 10 are very clearly not commercial airlines. Cool, so a simple cursory glance of these mysterious phenomena is enough to immediately call bullshit on 60% of the claims. That's a heck of a false positive rate, given the fact that this happens before any verification takes place. If at least 60% of the claims given the same credibility are outright rejected without any effort, what does it say about the claims and those who make them?