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SuperCruise and FSD are not comparable. SuperCruise does what it claims to do, keep it up the middle on listed corridors. Most highways and interstates are eli

SuperCruise and FSD are not comparable. SuperCruise does what it claims to do, keep it up the middle on listed corridors. Most highways and interstates are eligible. I love both systems. FSD is truly almost there for unsupervised, point to point driving. People want to virtue signal and complain about Tesla but it is an amazing piece of hardware being mass produced today. My car is 3 years old.

spankalee 2y ago
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- misiti3780 2y ago
  a legitimate stance held by idiots* --- if politics consumes your life that much, you should seek help
- sgerenser 2y ago
  Indeed, and I've held an anti-Elon position since well before he bought Twitter and went all MAGA. Personally, I don't want to support someone who continuously lies and breaks securities laws with impunity. The MAGA stuff is just icing on the cake.
travisporter 2y ago
Any thoughts on OpenPilot? I’ve been hearing good things but would be cool to do a comparison.
goalonetwo 2y ago
I worked in this industry. No, FSD is not almost there. Not even close. What matters is the long tails of events. You might "feel" it is almost there because it gets it right 99.9% of the time but that is still way too many accidents and injuries in the long run. And the work to go from 99.9% to 99.9999% is 1000x more complicated.
- vlovich123 2y ago
  We need to compare against the real human error rate (including drunk drivers, sleepy drivers etc). What is that error rate? Also, fault tolerance error rates don’t work that way - difficulty increases exponentially as you increase fault. In other words, it’s much more difficult than three orders of magnitude to go from 3 9s to 6 9s - it’s easily 5-6 orders of magnitude.
  - zardo 2y ago
    When you're playing candy crush and FSD kills someone, whether or not it's drives better than the average driver is not something the judge and prosecutor are going to consider.
    - vlovich123 2y ago
      First, that’s because FSD is legally only L2 and thus legally you are required to pay attention. It has nothing to do with the engineering realities of the impact on improving safety. When L5 becomes available then this becomes a different calculus. And it’s honestly questionable about how good the characterization actually is since Tesla’s L2 FSD seems to outperform Mercedes’s L3 and it’s more a matter of the liability the manufacturer is willing to take on vs objective measurements of quality.
  - goalonetwo 2y ago
    yes, the long tail of difficult event is exponentially more difficult to handle. That's why I said above that people "feel" it is ready but it is nowhere to be even close to ready. The average crash rate for human is one every 500k miles.
- ethagknight 2y ago
  I disagree with you. Glad you worked in the industry, I am using FSD daily, it is really excellent.
  - AtlasBarfed 2y ago

spankalee 2y ago

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misiti3780 2y ago
a legitimate stance held by idiots* --- if politics consumes your life that much, you should seek help
sgerenser 2y ago
Indeed, and I've held an anti-Elon position since well before he bought Twitter and went all MAGA. Personally, I don't want to support someone who continuously lies and breaks securities laws with impunity. The MAGA stuff is just icing on the cake.

travisporter 2y ago

Any thoughts on OpenPilot? I’ve been hearing good things but would be cool to do a comparison.

goalonetwo 2y ago

I worked in this industry. No, FSD is not almost there. Not even close. What matters is the long tails of events. You might "feel" it is almost there because it gets it right 99.9% of the time but that is still way too many accidents and injuries in the long run. And the work to go from 99.9% to 99.9999% is 1000x more complicated.

vlovich123 2y ago
We need to compare against the real human error rate (including drunk drivers, sleepy drivers etc). What is that error rate? Also, fault tolerance error rates don’t work that way - difficulty increases exponentially as you increase fault. In other words, it’s much more difficult than three orders of magnitude to go from 3 9s to 6 9s - it’s easily 5-6 orders of magnitude.
- zardo 2y ago
  When you're playing candy crush and FSD kills someone, whether or not it's drives better than the average driver is not something the judge and prosecutor are going to consider.
  - vlovich123 2y ago
    First, that’s because FSD is legally only L2 and thus legally you are required to pay attention. It has nothing to do with the engineering realities of the impact on improving safety. When L5 becomes available then this becomes a different calculus. And it’s honestly questionable about how good the characterization actually is since Tesla’s L2 FSD seems to outperform Mercedes’s L3 and it’s more a matter of the liability the manufacturer is willing to take on vs objective measurements of quality.
- goalonetwo 2y ago
  yes, the long tail of difficult event is exponentially more difficult to handle. That's why I said above that people "feel" it is ready but it is nowhere to be even close to ready. The average crash rate for human is one every 500k miles.
ethagknight 2y ago
I disagree with you. Glad you worked in the industry, I am using FSD daily, it is really excellent.
- AtlasBarfed 2y ago