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I think proper V2H/V2G (vehicle to home/grid) is a big one that is very rare at the moment but is probably making a lot of people who could buy an EV at the mom

I think proper V2H/V2G (vehicle to home/grid) is a big one that is very rare at the moment but is probably making a lot of people who could buy an EV at the moment (i.e. have a garage/driveway in a city) hold off until it's more common, because it makes the economics a lot more attractive. (In general, because of cratering manufacturing costs, improving tech, and a still low trust for battery health, being an EV early adopter is an expensive option at the moment because even if an early EV is still at 80% functionality compared to new, the resale value is terrible, and I think this plus the lack of charging infrastructure is a big impediment to adoption growing to become dominant in the mainstream)

jcgrillo 2y ago
I'm not super convinced about the V2H stuff, tbh. I only need backup power at home to keep the heat on when I'm not there. If I'm not there almost certainly my car isn't either. When I am there I can light a candle and run the wood stove to keep the pipes from freezing. So a stationary battery bank for my solar system makes a lot more sense than trying to use my car for that purpose.
- ghaff 2y ago
  And probably a backup generator with a big propane tank is a better solution. I've thought about it over the years and if I was regularly away for long periods in the winter I'd probably have spent the money. As it is, I cross my fingers and generally try not to have long periods away from my house in the winter.
- floxy 2y ago
  Natural disasters that cut power (like hurricanes)? https://electrek.co/2022/11/08/electric-vehicles-provide-backup-power-during-hurricane-ian/ https://electrek.co/2022/11/08/electric-vehicles-provide-bac...
  - jcgrillo 2y ago
    Right, what I'm saying is in such a scenario I only actually need power if I'm not home and it's below freezing.
    - floxy 2y ago
      Ah. I think lots of other people would like to keep their refrigerator and freezer and appliances running in the event of multi-day power outages when they are at home, even when it is not freezing (like in Florida, for example).
      - jcgrillo 2y ago
        Sure, but if you're already going to make the investment in the grid cutoff, inverter, etc then the fact the car could in principle act as a battery/generator is a little gimmicky. Might as well also get a generator (or battery if you've already got solar). Then it works automatically whether you're there or not.
        floxy 2y ago
        The vehicle already has the inverter, using the same active rectifier hardware in the on-board charger. People want to have electricity when they are at home. And they are home a lot of the time. So I agree that it is a very niche case to want to have a backup system to provide electricity to your house during a natural disaster when you are not even there. https://gmenergy.gm.com/for-home/products/vehicle-to-home-solutions https://gmenergy.gm.com/for-home/products/vehicle-to-home-so...
        jcgrillo 2y ago
        OK but you still need a grid cutoff--you absolutely can't put power into the grid when it's down. It's not a huge investment, but it's not nothing.
        Dylan16807 2y ago

jcgrillo 2y ago

I'm not super convinced about the V2H stuff, tbh. I only need backup power at home to keep the heat on when I'm not there. If I'm not there almost certainly my car isn't either. When I am there I can light a candle and run the wood stove to keep the pipes from freezing. So a stationary battery bank for my solar system makes a lot more sense than trying to use my car for that purpose.

ghaff 2y ago
And probably a backup generator with a big propane tank is a better solution. I've thought about it over the years and if I was regularly away for long periods in the winter I'd probably have spent the money. As it is, I cross my fingers and generally try not to have long periods away from my house in the winter.
floxy 2y ago
Natural disasters that cut power (like hurricanes)? https://electrek.co/2022/11/08/electric-vehicles-provide-backup-power-during-hurricane-ian/ https://electrek.co/2022/11/08/electric-vehicles-provide-bac...
- jcgrillo 2y ago
  Right, what I'm saying is in such a scenario I only actually need power if I'm not home and it's below freezing.
  - floxy 2y ago
    Ah. I think lots of other people would like to keep their refrigerator and freezer and appliances running in the event of multi-day power outages when they are at home, even when it is not freezing (like in Florida, for example).
    - jcgrillo 2y ago
      Sure, but if you're already going to make the investment in the grid cutoff, inverter, etc then the fact the car could in principle act as a battery/generator is a little gimmicky. Might as well also get a generator (or battery if you've already got solar). Then it works automatically whether you're there or not.
      - floxy 2y ago
        The vehicle already has the inverter, using the same active rectifier hardware in the on-board charger. People want to have electricity when they are at home. And they are home a lot of the time. So I agree that it is a very niche case to want to have a backup system to provide electricity to your house during a natural disaster when you are not even there. https://gmenergy.gm.com/for-home/products/vehicle-to-home-solutions https://gmenergy.gm.com/for-home/products/vehicle-to-home-so...
        jcgrillo 2y ago
        OK but you still need a grid cutoff--you absolutely can't put power into the grid when it's down. It's not a huge investment, but it's not nothing.
        Dylan16807 2y ago