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I believe officially the vitamin company is owned by his parents and isn't included in the judgement against Alex Jones.

bawolff 2y ago
How is that not fraud?
- paulryanrogers 2y ago
  It is. IIRC he started shuffling assets only after the legal consequences got real. But the legal system is moving slowly. And the victims may get tired of chasing his assets
  - mrguyorama 2y ago
    >But the legal system is moving slowly. FFS, it's actively working in his favor right now!
- morkalork 2y ago
  It's certainly mafia type of behavior. Now Jones has learned the lesson that as long as he doesn't directly own anything, he is effectively defamation proof. It's almost like an inverse RICO case, he does all the crime whole holding none of the money vs a mob boss rolling in dough while never directly committing the crimes.
- baggachipz 2y ago
  Since when has that mattered? He'll get a pardon in 1 month anyway.
  - sophacles 2y ago
    Pardons are for crimes. This is a civil suit, not a criminal one.
    - baggachipz 2y ago
      Fraud is a crime.
      - sophacles 2y ago
        There's no fraud conviction, there can't be a pardon. There's not even fraud charges, so what would the pardon be for... I find your rebuttal confusing.
        qingcharles 2y ago
        You can pre-emptively pardon someone. Seemingly.
  - crazygringo 2y ago
    Only federal crimes can be pardoned by the president. Everything here is state-level. The next president can't touch any of it.
    - baggachipz 2y ago
      They've already suspended his sentencing indefinitely due to the election win.
      - freejazz 2y ago
        Who? Trump? What does that have to do with anything?
        jazzyjackson 2y ago
        Well supposedly federal govt can't intervene in state cases but the conviction against trump is at the state level, so why isn't he being sentenced? Because power isn't about rules.
        johnnyanmac 2y ago
        As others said above, the president has certain immunities to prevent constitutional crises. But that's only for the president, and it's not part of his pardoning powers (which wouldn't work here anyway).
        jazzyjackson 2y ago
        So why isn't he going to jail for felony falsification of business records (forget the classified records case, he's not meant to be immune from that but here we are) My point is that power is not about what the law says, it's about what people can get away with through their relations with other people.
        johnnyanmac 2y ago

bawolff 2y ago

How is that not fraud?

paulryanrogers 2y ago
It is. IIRC he started shuffling assets only after the legal consequences got real. But the legal system is moving slowly. And the victims may get tired of chasing his assets
- mrguyorama 2y ago
  >But the legal system is moving slowly. FFS, it's actively working in his favor right now!
morkalork 2y ago
It's certainly mafia type of behavior. Now Jones has learned the lesson that as long as he doesn't directly own anything, he is effectively defamation proof. It's almost like an inverse RICO case, he does all the crime whole holding none of the money vs a mob boss rolling in dough while never directly committing the crimes.
baggachipz 2y ago
Since when has that mattered? He'll get a pardon in 1 month anyway.
- sophacles 2y ago
  Pardons are for crimes. This is a civil suit, not a criminal one.
  - baggachipz 2y ago
    Fraud is a crime.
    - sophacles 2y ago
      There's no fraud conviction, there can't be a pardon. There's not even fraud charges, so what would the pardon be for... I find your rebuttal confusing.
      - qingcharles 2y ago
        You can pre-emptively pardon someone. Seemingly.
- crazygringo 2y ago
  Only federal crimes can be pardoned by the president. Everything here is state-level. The next president can't touch any of it.
  - baggachipz 2y ago
    They've already suspended his sentencing indefinitely due to the election win.
    - freejazz 2y ago
      Who? Trump? What does that have to do with anything?
      - jazzyjackson 2y ago
        Well supposedly federal govt can't intervene in state cases but the conviction against trump is at the state level, so why isn't he being sentenced? Because power isn't about rules.
        johnnyanmac 2y ago
        As others said above, the president has certain immunities to prevent constitutional crises. But that's only for the president, and it's not part of his pardoning powers (which wouldn't work here anyway).
        jazzyjackson 2y ago
        So why isn't he going to jail for felony falsification of business records (forget the classified records case, he's not meant to be immune from that but here we are) My point is that power is not about what the law says, it's about what people can get away with through their relations with other people.
        johnnyanmac 2y ago