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> Alex Jones's vitamin company offered 2x more cash Wait, isn't Alex Jone's essentially bankrupted by the ruling for the Sandy Hook parents? If he has that muc

> Alex Jones's vitamin company offered 2x more cash Wait, isn't Alex Jone's essentially bankrupted by the ruling for the Sandy Hook parents? If he has that much cash to offer wouldn't that have been given to the parents who won the suit?

unsnap_biceps 2y ago
I believe officially the vitamin company is owned by his parents and isn't included in the judgement against Alex Jones.
- bawolff 2y ago
  How is that not fraud?
  - paulryanrogers 2y ago
    It is. IIRC he started shuffling assets only after the legal consequences got real. But the legal system is moving slowly. And the victims may get tired of chasing his assets
    - mrguyorama 2y ago
      >But the legal system is moving slowly. FFS, it's actively working in his favor right now!
  - morkalork 2y ago
    It's certainly mafia type of behavior. Now Jones has learned the lesson that as long as he doesn't directly own anything, he is effectively defamation proof. It's almost like an inverse RICO case, he does all the crime whole holding none of the money vs a mob boss rolling in dough while never directly committing the crimes.
  - baggachipz 2y ago
    Since when has that mattered? He'll get a pardon in 1 month anyway.
    - sophacles 2y ago
      Pardons are for crimes. This is a civil suit, not a criminal one.
      - baggachipz 2y ago
        Fraud is a crime.
        sophacles 2y ago
        There's no fraud conviction, there can't be a pardon. There's not even fraud charges, so what would the pardon be for... I find your rebuttal confusing.
        qingcharles 2y ago
        You can pre-emptively pardon someone. Seemingly.
    - crazygringo 2y ago
      Only federal crimes can be pardoned by the president. Everything here is state-level. The next president can't touch any of it.
      - baggachipz 2y ago
        They've already suspended his sentencing indefinitely due to the election win.
        freejazz 2y ago
        Who? Trump? What does that have to do with anything?
Mountain_Skies 2y ago
Likely different legal entities. Johnson & Johnson tried to get out of the talc powder settlement by creating a different legal entity to contain responsibility and damages. A court ruled that invalid but this type of corporate entity manipulation happens all the time. With the vitamin company, it might be that Jones is not majority owner of it but the other owners are sympathetic to him. Giving Jones' ownership stake to the Infowars creditors wouldn't change anything if Jones is not the controlling owner. This is all supposition on my part and perhaps he is the controlling owner but the court for some reason decided not to include it in his bankruptcy assets. It's a weird world when we allow artificial people to exist in the form of corporations.

unsnap_biceps 2y ago

I believe officially the vitamin company is owned by his parents and isn't included in the judgement against Alex Jones.

bawolff 2y ago
How is that not fraud?
- paulryanrogers 2y ago
  It is. IIRC he started shuffling assets only after the legal consequences got real. But the legal system is moving slowly. And the victims may get tired of chasing his assets
  - mrguyorama 2y ago
    >But the legal system is moving slowly. FFS, it's actively working in his favor right now!
- morkalork 2y ago
  It's certainly mafia type of behavior. Now Jones has learned the lesson that as long as he doesn't directly own anything, he is effectively defamation proof. It's almost like an inverse RICO case, he does all the crime whole holding none of the money vs a mob boss rolling in dough while never directly committing the crimes.
- baggachipz 2y ago
  Since when has that mattered? He'll get a pardon in 1 month anyway.
  - sophacles 2y ago
    Pardons are for crimes. This is a civil suit, not a criminal one.
    - baggachipz 2y ago
      Fraud is a crime.
      - sophacles 2y ago
        There's no fraud conviction, there can't be a pardon. There's not even fraud charges, so what would the pardon be for... I find your rebuttal confusing.
        qingcharles 2y ago
        You can pre-emptively pardon someone. Seemingly.
  - crazygringo 2y ago
    Only federal crimes can be pardoned by the president. Everything here is state-level. The next president can't touch any of it.
    - baggachipz 2y ago
      They've already suspended his sentencing indefinitely due to the election win.
      - freejazz 2y ago
        Who? Trump? What does that have to do with anything?

Mountain_Skies 2y ago

Likely different legal entities. Johnson & Johnson tried to get out of the talc powder settlement by creating a different legal entity to contain responsibility and damages. A court ruled that invalid but this type of corporate entity manipulation happens all the time. With the vitamin company, it might be that Jones is not majority owner of it but the other owners are sympathetic to him. Giving Jones' ownership stake to the Infowars creditors wouldn't change anything if Jones is not the controlling owner. This is all supposition on my part and perhaps he is the controlling owner but the court for some reason decided not to include it in his bankruptcy assets. It's a weird world when we allow artificial people to exist in the form of corporations.