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Canvas
- t55 2y ago1. Available for Everyone 2. Python Code 3. Custom GPTs
- lionkor 2y ago[flagged]
- rawgabbit 2y agoTLDR: Canvas is a new side by side mode in ChatGPT. You can use it for improving documents. You interact with ChatGPT on the left panel. You see the document on the right panel including the editorial comments by ChatGPT. You can also use it for running and debugging Python code. You interact with ChatGPT on the left panel. You see the code and the console messages/errors/output on the right. Demo video url: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ0ImE41pVs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qZ0ImE41pVs
- zingababba 2y agoSounds like the Claude artifact panel?
- aaronharnly 2y agoYes.
- virtualcharles 2y agoIt’s very similar, but the big difference is that canvas lets you select a specific line/paragraph/word/etc and “talk” to just that selection. On the flipside, it only shows formatted text, it won’t render anything if you’re working with code.
- scosman 2y agoI've been using Cursor for these writing use cases for a while (markdown, not code). Select part, ask for edits. It's quite handy. This actually sounds useful.
- binkHN 2y ago> You can also use it for running and debugging Python code. Not limited to Python code.
- chipgap98 2y agoIt can only run python code, but it can write other languages
- llm_nerd 2y agoThough note that it runs python code via web assembly, on the client's device, using pyodide. Pretty easy way to avoid DOS attacks or even any resource usage on their servers. Ostensibly they could add other platforms/languages that have wasm implementations.
- KTibow 2y agoI wonder if the data analysis tool will switch to using the same backend in the future
- NullHypothesist 2y agoDoes it work for o1 or just 4o?
- infecto 2y agoWill find out once the replay is up but it would be nice if someone noted the actual changes from the current state of the beta version.
- submeta 2y agoWhat exactly is this? I can‘t find any info in the link. It just says „replay coming soon.“
- yawnxyz 2y agoprobably a bug
- scosman 2y agoHad same question. Writing+coding collaboration tool Better link: https://openai.com/index/introducing-canvas/ https://openai.com/index/introducing-canvas/
- odirf 2y agoAlready posted.
- kristopolous 2y agoalthough these things are impressive at writing hello world in a bunch of ways, I've really found them pretty useless inside any sufficiently complex codebase. Am I just incompetently using them?
- benbayard 2y agoI use claude every day to help me write code. I doubt it's incompetence, but maybe a lack of trust. Cursor + Claude does great and I use it to do real work for my business.
- soco 2y agoHow do you use Cursor? I was scratching my head at its pricing model, how's that 2000 completions a month? Is it enough? What are the "slow premium requests"? Do I need a course only to understand what I get for my money? I'm confused.
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- sergiotapia 2y agowhat is this (while the video isnt present)?
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- andrewstuart 2y agoI used the OpenAI collab tool yesterday for a couple of hours. I was trying to write a technical document. Very clunky user experience. The AI felt like an annoying collaborator who took control when I was trying to do my job and didn’t obey when I asked it to do stuff and the basic markdown editing options were missing. Switched to another non AI editor and got the job done quick. Having said that, I like the idea and would use, but I do not want to ask AI to do find and replace. If they can flesh this out and improve it and make it "writer first, AI second" instead of "AI first" then it might be worth using.
- fosterfriends 2y agoLooks like you can only use it with 4o at the moment, and not yet with o1 models. I might stick to o1 for editing jobs for the time being.
- fosterfriends 2y agoCool to see more attention getting paid to AI code review and not just code-gen: > Review code: ChatGPT provides inline suggestions to improve your code.
- wongarsu 2y agoFeels a bit like we are going full circle: From an interface that contains a document that the AI will complete or modify to a chat interface, to an interface that contains a document that the AI will modify. Obviously this is a lot more refined than the rather simple playground interface of GPT3.5 that they eventually discontinued. But it feels a lot like going back to the roots, with the benefit of many of the lessons learned over the last two years.
- cloudking 2y agoCanvas was releaased on October 3, 2024 - is this something different?
- asadalt 2y agoi have had this for a while now (a month maybe?). I wish this had o1 option. nobody uses 4o for coding anymore.
- sunaookami 2y agoI found o1 to be overly verbose and rather "meh" for coding. Tried both o1-preview and o1-mini, haven't tried the new o1. I loved using o1 to draft implementation ideas, things to note, etc and hand them off to GPT-4o to write them though.
- mellosouls 2y agoIncorrect title. It's already released some time ago. Difference appears to be it's now available for free users. sama announcement here: https://x.com/sama/status/1866555731149045990 https://x.com/sama/status/1866555731149045990 canvas is now available to all chatgpt users
- ipsum2 2y agoThat's also not correct, they added a bunch of new features to canvas, including a web based python interpreter.
- dang 2y agoRecent and related: Canvas is a new way to write and code with ChatGPT - https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41732634 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=41732634 - Oct 2024 (679 comments) (Edit: submitted title was "OpenAI releases Canvas" - forgot to mention that we reverted that)
- soco 2y agoI might be blind but where is it available? Or it's only in the US? I can't see it...
- mellosouls 2y agoIt's not yet available in EU or UK, they are normally delayed presumably due to legislation - I don't know about other countries.
- 1oooqooq 2y agowhat's up with everyone abusing canvas? i was confused enough when a drawing webapp used it and it didn't mean the canvas html element. now not-openAI uses it for something that isn't even related to painting.
- halyconWays 2y agoWhat is this 12 Days of Christmas thing, with Sam Altman sitting there? Do they really think they're perceived as benefactors or relatable, lovable startup scamps? By anyone following the AI space they're the enemy. They've made a mockery of the entire purpose of their company, ousted the board that resisted their direction, are abusing the charity laws while making billion-dollar for-profit deals with Microsoft and defense contractors, and they abandoned every single promise towards openness. Even their name is a lie.
- butterlettuce 2y agoI don’t get the hate for OpenAI. They’ve made life easier for me and I’m not going to pretend they haven’t. They came out with a revolutionary chatbot that provides actual value. A few months later, every single company starts pushing their AI offerings (Gemini, Apple Intelligence, Grok, AI this and AI that). Sam and Co needs to compete. > abusing the charity laws while making billion-dollar for-profit deals with Microsoft and defense contractors. Who cares? Compute costs aren’t going to pay for themselves and money doesn’t grow on trees. If they become ClosedAI, so be it. I’m still buying their stuff.
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- halyconWays 2y ago>Who cares? Who cares that a 501(c)(3) formed a shadow corp that's making multi-billion dollar deals with Microsoft and defense contractors, put a former NSA chief on its board, has stopped releasing all weights, and is scraping the entire Internet (and probably all your PII) to train its models in direct contravention of their mission statement to only do things that benefit humanity? Well, intelligent people care about that. The question you should be asking yourself is why don't you care?
- sumedh 2y ago> and they abandoned every single promise towards openness. Even their name is a lie. You can access intelligence for free, isnt that open?
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- wiremine 2y agoLooks like it's still in beta? I tried it out a few weeks ago and it was extremely buggy. I'm curious how it has been for others.
- virtualcharles 2y agoI had the beta as well and have been using it quite a bit. I like the concept a lot. This is exactly how I want to be using AI for writing purposes. Overall, it’s whatever content I want to write in, but then I can ask it, “Hey, help me improve this line,” or “Fix this paragraph,” piecemeal. That said, it only worked for me maybe 70% of the time. It would either have trouble finding things, or it would just arbitrarily rewrite the entire document, even when it was supposed to be focused on a certain part of it.
- tiahura 2y agoSo, basically everything but 4.5.
- paul7986 2y agoAnyone else want an AI phone that would work and it's interface would be like chatGPT's iPhone app? A stark interface with some app icons like current phone UI. Using chatGPT's iPhone app I am able to have an entire back n forth full conversation with it and able to get things done. Soon GPT will have vision AI and can discuss/work with what it sees or I show it. Apple Intelligence and Siri won't offer what I discuss here til Spring 2026. That gives competitors time to create and release an awesome new phone experience! I'd drop iPhone for a GPT (Microsoft) phone/ device quickly! *Slightly off topic but hoping it's one of Open AI's announcements ;-)
- raincole 2y agoIt looks nice and I might try it out. However I kinda hope OpenAI to stay as an API provider and let third parties do the UI.
- meta_x_ai 2y agoOpenAI has completely pivoted to a Product company (vs a Model / API company) The minute they switch to API is the time their userbase realizes that OpenAI neither has the best model nor the most cost-effective one nor the fastest one. So, their business strategy is subscription and bundle a bunch of products and market it to the mass. They have a brand "chatGPT" recognition and they'll milk that. Sam is more of a Steve Jobs than a Bill Gates personality or at least wannabe
- Sateeshm 2y agoThe full pivot to products is another tell that they don't have high hopes on AGI
- bubaumba 2y agoYou may think Anthropic is different? It's the same UI + API. The difference is they don't create free accounts for personal emails. Sort of shadow banning. However they accepted my work email for free account and personal email for payed API. May be that's just me, I tried several personals. As for model's quality they are both impressive. I haven't run meaningful comparison tests.
- theshackleford 2y ago> May be that's just me I would suggest this may be the case. > The difference is they don't create free accounts for personal emails. I'm using a personal account for free just fine, as are many in my circle.
- raincole 2y agoI don't know what you imply by juxtoposing Jobs vs Gates. From what I know, Apple successfully marketed their hardware as a lifestyle. I don't think OpenAI is anything like that.
- pkkkzip 2y agothese announcements from OpenAI no longer has that exciting impact because of the repeated lies and disappointments in actual real world usage. my attention instead is focused entirely on open source models and its competitors which are already pulling ahead without the need for fancy announcements. Lastly, I really despise Sam for trying to cash out his non-profit RSUs and Elon Musk will most certainly prevent that from happening. While I'm not a grok simp or pay for X, I can already see OpenAI losing relevance. For example announcement from Deepmind vs Sam's expressionless interviews has different energy.
- tptacek 2y agoWhat repeated lies and disappointments are you talking about?
- saurik 2y agoFWIW, they lost my belief in them with the "advanced voice" debacle: they seem to have announced it when they did merely to scoop Google, not because that was a reasonable time to announce it :/. It then took them forever to actually release it, and while I totally use it (a lot: I am not saying it is a categorical failure or anything), it isn't anywhere near as good as their demo made it out to be; the result is that I simply don't believe any of their demos or announcements now: I'll believe it when I see it and evaluate it on its merits only then... watching their videos or reading their press releases is probably a waste of time and energy.
- tptacek 2y agoGot it. I think my bias in this is that 4o is my go-to chat model, and chat models are basically all I use; if you're doing more advanced stuff than that, I've got no visibility, and am inclined to just believe everything people say.
- _giorgio_ 2y agoOpenAI is having on my life the biggest impact. More than Microsoft, Google, Amazon. It having a bigger boost on my life than my engineering degree. It's simply incredibly good. I couldn't care less about no profit.
- amelius 2y agoSomewhat offtopic, but I noticed that ChatGPT in a Firefox tab makes Firefox unstable. Often when Firefox misbehaves, I close the ChatGPT tab and things go back to normal. Did anyone else notice this? I'm running Firefox on Ubuntu 22.04, 64bit Intel, and I have plenty of RAM (64GB).
- wingmanjd 2y agoI haven't had the same experience. PopOS, 22.04 Firefox Also 64GB of total RAM.
- ericra 2y agoNo problems here with a very similar setup (22.04, Firefox), and this is on a 2015 laptop. Very stable and uses very little background resources. I am running unlock origin and privacy badger, but they don't block much of anything there.
- amelius 2y agoOk, thanks, maybe it is time for me to run a memtest.
- _giorgio_ 2y agoSame config, no problem.
- InvaderFizz 2y agoSame for me on macOS 15 on a M2. It's just Firefox, and I don't run much in the way of extensions there. Just 1Password and uBlock Origin. I haven't noticed it lately, but that's because I've switched to almost exclusively Claude usage as of late.
- serjester 2y agoRegardless of all the internal drama, you've gotta hand it to their product team - they know how to ship. Personally I find their canvas tool best in class and some of these new features seem absolutely awesome. WASM python? This opens up so many possibilities and it seems likely they're building towards Bolt.new competitor. On that vein, it seems like every time OpenAI launches something it becomes table stakes for all the other players. I have no idea how Mixtral or any of the smaller companies will compete long term.
- cainxinth 2y agoThey have also clearly taken the "we have no moat, and neither does OpenAI" quote to heart. They know that the UX wrapper is likely going to be their only differentiator and want to build the walls of their garden as fast as possible.
- aylmao 2y agoThis could be tricky for them, because just as OpenAI has smaller competitors, it also has bigger ones. If Google/Microsoft adds these features to Docs/Word— why would you use Canvas to write documents instead of the proven office software you and everyone you work with already uses? The biggest differentiator for OpenAI becomes again in this case the quality of the AI. EDIT: on this note, Apple's approach of commoditizing AI writing tools to the OS-level is also interesting. If AI writing tools are available on every text-box, there's no new product in building a new AI-powered text-editor.
- SubiculumCode 2y agoMy issue with Canvas is that its not available with o1, and if you are working on a large function it can just truncates the prior script there.
- Maxatar 2y agoIf you find it truncating output, enter the word "continue".
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- hipadev23 2y agohttps://openai.com/index/introducing-canvas/ https://openai.com/index/introducing-canvas/ Maybe I’m old fashioned but I loathe video updates without a companion text version.
- theshackleford 2y agoWhilst i'm a little ashamed to share this, it does seem relevant. I’ve been using canvas for a while and have found it valuable for my needs. Due to medical reasons, I’m on daily medications that heavily impact my cognitive abilities. This is combined with chronic pain, which affects every aspect of my life. Thinking, energy, stress etc. This has made everything harder. In fact it was suspected/suggested at one point, that I would never return to the workforce, though luckily this did not come to pass. While I still retain my knowledge and can learn new skills, brain fog and exhaustion from my physical symptoms have made it difficult to communicate as effectively as I once did, which is particularly frustrating since communication was prior to these issues, my biggest strength. Now, I often struggle to express my ideas in a clear, digestible manner. It's very difficult to gather all my thoughts in the one place coherently for complex topics. To assist with this, I use ChatGPT with Canvas as I guess a structured editing tool. I input my content and research, organise it to the best of my ability, and ask for feedback to refine the presentation. Clarifying structure, reducing redundancy, and improving flow. I don’t ask or let it insert data about the topic itself, I ask only that it modify how my data is communicated. It’s a bittersweet solution, but I would say that it's helped me remain employed, which is important, because I have a lot of ongoing medical costs.
- SuaveSteve 2y agoMay someone please say how this compares to Claude's project view?
- iteratethis 2y agoIf ChatGPT increasingly gets better at coding, why don't they deliver official plugins for the main IDEs in the way Github Copilot does? Is this because Github mostly uses OpenAI models under the hood anyway?
- sumedh 2y agoThey have an extension in VSCode which allows the ChatGpt App to read the file which is open in vscode, the App can also read your terminal.
- hi_hi 2y agoI'm finding the focus of UX/UI around the AI 2.0 very interesting. It seems to boil down to: - You go to where the AI is (which is what this is, and the other web/app interfaces) - The AI comes to you (Cursor is a good example of this, everything from Microsoft is probably a bad example of this, Apple...i haven't tried yet) I'm not sure if there is one clear winner, and certainly I tend to switch between the 2, depending very much on the context of what I'm doing. One area that appears to be less advanced than I expected is search. We have Gemini mixed into the Google search page, and an explosion of AI generated content on webpages, making the traditional search experience even worse. I haven't even touched openAI's search, Im not sure why, is it good? Where's my utopian dream of AI providing me with the exact information I'm after, and can trust, without having to fall back to ad infested websites and needing to open 1000 browser tabs to piece together the information I want.
- sumedh 2y ago> The AI comes to you ChatGpt and Claude are already on your desktop and working on connecting directly with your computer. Those features are in beta though, they will be coming to compete with AI Code Editors.