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It's not just America. Shinzo Abe was assassinated, with security and at a public event, by somebody using a homemade gun with homemade ammo. As tech advances

It's not just America. Shinzo Abe was assassinated, with security and at a public event, by somebody using a homemade gun with homemade ammo. As tech advances over time, this will all only become even more true.

hedora 2y ago
Mass shootings in the US don’t even make the news any more. I don’t think that’s true in most countries: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2024 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_th... 547 so far this year. If we had equal justice for all in this country, this CEO shooting would have barely made local news, maybe.
- wat10000 2y ago
  The disparity is laid bare by the fact that this wasn’t even the only murder in lower Manhattan on that day. One gets a multi-state manhunt and the top spot on national news for days. The other got a shrug.
  - gruez 2y ago
    Doesn't it make sense for police to go after high profile killings? If they catch the CEO killer that's more good press for them, and if they were slacking there's more chance that they'll get hounded for it.
    - wat10000 2y ago
      Sure. NYPD is doing the rational thing in a society that treats the murder of a wealthy CEO as a much worse crime than the murder of a semi-homeless maybe-illegal immigrant. And in a society that strongly valued equality before the law, they wouldn’t dare treat the two cases so differently. Thus we can see that we don’t live in such a society.
      - gruez 2y ago
        >And in a society that strongly valued equality before the law, they wouldn’t dare treat the two cases so differently. Thus we can see that we don’t live in such a society. How would "equality before the law" as you described even work? If some celebrity got killed and people wanted to contribute their resources into finding their killer, is that suddenly bad now? If my son got killed and I'm trying to find his killer rather than doing the Right Thing™ by devoting my time equally among all unsolved murder cases, am I a bad person?
        wishinghand 2y ago
        You wouldn’t be, but the police doing so would be in such a situation, if there was equality.
        gruez 2y ago
        Is a police department that shrugs and says "we'd want to solve this high profile murder that everyone wants solved, but because of 'equality' we have to solve this gangbanger murder that nobody cares about" really what we want? Isn't a government that's responsive to citizen demands also an ideal? What happens if they conflict?
        wat10000 2y ago
        I mean, yes, I do want a world where the police feel like they need to solve murders even when the victims are considered distasteful.
        spencerflem 2y ago
        Keep in mind, for this case in specific, a huge number of people did not want it solved
        gruez 2y ago
        >Keep in mind, for this case in specific, a huge number of people did not want it solved Where? If you go by reddit, there's a "huge number of people" who want to see society collapse in a socialist revolution, but that's clearly not representative of the overall population. Even the disparity between the support for kamala vs at the polls was stark.
- seanw444 2y ago
  Only two of those sources exclude gang and organized crime-related shootings, which have made up a large portion of the statistic in the past.
  - JCharante 2y ago
    Gang and organized crime-related shootings are very bad to have, most developed countries don't have them either.
    - Kye 2y ago
      It's always weird to me when people want to exclude them from stats.
      - seanw444 2y ago
        Because it paints the image that normal innocent people are getting shot up in schools and markets more often than they really are, primarily to push the narrative that guns need to be taken from people who have committed no crimes, to stop crime. In reality, the majority of shootings are done by people who will find a way to kill someone, one way or the other. Whether it be with a legally-purchased gun, an illegally-purchased gun, a homemade gun, a knife, a homemade shank, a baseball bat, a vehicle.
        seanmcdirmid 2y ago
        The majority of shootings are actually gun owners or their family members killing themselves. 60% or so.
        seanw444 2y ago
        True, let me revise. The majority of "shootings" are suicides, which can be carried out in all manner of ways. The second largest contributors are gangs and organized crime. The smallest, by far, is what people actually picture in their mind when they hear "mass shooting".
- potato3732842 2y ago
  >547 so far this year. If we had equal justice for all in this country, this CEO shooting would have barely made local news, maybe. Don't lie at us with statistics like that. The bulk of those so called "mass shootings", normal crimes gone off the rails and other things that are nowhere near what people think when you use the words "mass shooting", which is almost certainly the slight of hand you're going for. 2+ victims is a mass shooting per the FBI definition. While what you say and like you reference is technically true it's also a particularly evil way to mislead the reader to portray it as you did. The typical mass shooting on that list consists of 2-4 people shot over the course of an otherwise normal crime (usually a crime for profit gone off the rails or the drug industry DIYing dispute resolution) wheres the colloquial definition of "mass shooting" is more along the lines of a crazy suicidal person killing as many others as they can. Pretty much every mass shooting by the colloquial definition makes the national news. I am unaware of any one that has not.
  - waterhouse 2y ago
    > Pretty much every mass shooting by the colloquial definition makes the national news. I am unaware of any one that has not. Now that sounds like obvious selection bias. Also, the Wikipedia article says "specifically for the purposes of this article, a total of four or more victims". But the point about the categorization is well taken. As the article says: "Many incidents involving organized crime and gang violence are included."
    - randyrand 2y ago
      And this ‘mass shooting’ list also includes injuries NOT caused by shooting. What’s the point of that? “ A man was killed and three women were injured when they fired upon in a vehicle on eastbound Roosevelt Road near Cicero Avenue in Cicero. The victims fled north onto Cicero Avenue into Chicago where they crashed, leading to three others being injured in the crash.[16]” ^ Who would call this a mass shooting?

hedora 2y ago

Mass shootings in the US don’t even make the news any more. I don’t think that’s true in most countries: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_the_United_States_in_2024 https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_mass_shootings_in_th... 547 so far this year. If we had equal justice for all in this country, this CEO shooting would have barely made local news, maybe.

wat10000 2y ago
The disparity is laid bare by the fact that this wasn’t even the only murder in lower Manhattan on that day. One gets a multi-state manhunt and the top spot on national news for days. The other got a shrug.
- gruez 2y ago
  Doesn't it make sense for police to go after high profile killings? If they catch the CEO killer that's more good press for them, and if they were slacking there's more chance that they'll get hounded for it.
  - wat10000 2y ago
    Sure. NYPD is doing the rational thing in a society that treats the murder of a wealthy CEO as a much worse crime than the murder of a semi-homeless maybe-illegal immigrant. And in a society that strongly valued equality before the law, they wouldn’t dare treat the two cases so differently. Thus we can see that we don’t live in such a society.
    - gruez 2y ago
      >And in a society that strongly valued equality before the law, they wouldn’t dare treat the two cases so differently. Thus we can see that we don’t live in such a society. How would "equality before the law" as you described even work? If some celebrity got killed and people wanted to contribute their resources into finding their killer, is that suddenly bad now? If my son got killed and I'm trying to find his killer rather than doing the Right Thing™ by devoting my time equally among all unsolved murder cases, am I a bad person?
      - wishinghand 2y ago
        You wouldn’t be, but the police doing so would be in such a situation, if there was equality.
        gruez 2y ago
        Is a police department that shrugs and says "we'd want to solve this high profile murder that everyone wants solved, but because of 'equality' we have to solve this gangbanger murder that nobody cares about" really what we want? Isn't a government that's responsive to citizen demands also an ideal? What happens if they conflict?
        wat10000 2y ago
        I mean, yes, I do want a world where the police feel like they need to solve murders even when the victims are considered distasteful.
        spencerflem 2y ago
        Keep in mind, for this case in specific, a huge number of people did not want it solved
        gruez 2y ago
        >Keep in mind, for this case in specific, a huge number of people did not want it solved Where? If you go by reddit, there's a "huge number of people" who want to see society collapse in a socialist revolution, but that's clearly not representative of the overall population. Even the disparity between the support for kamala vs at the polls was stark.
seanw444 2y ago
Only two of those sources exclude gang and organized crime-related shootings, which have made up a large portion of the statistic in the past.
- JCharante 2y ago
  Gang and organized crime-related shootings are very bad to have, most developed countries don't have them either.
  - Kye 2y ago
    It's always weird to me when people want to exclude them from stats.
    - seanw444 2y ago
      Because it paints the image that normal innocent people are getting shot up in schools and markets more often than they really are, primarily to push the narrative that guns need to be taken from people who have committed no crimes, to stop crime. In reality, the majority of shootings are done by people who will find a way to kill someone, one way or the other. Whether it be with a legally-purchased gun, an illegally-purchased gun, a homemade gun, a knife, a homemade shank, a baseball bat, a vehicle.
      - seanmcdirmid 2y ago
        The majority of shootings are actually gun owners or their family members killing themselves. 60% or so.
        seanw444 2y ago
        True, let me revise. The majority of "shootings" are suicides, which can be carried out in all manner of ways. The second largest contributors are gangs and organized crime. The smallest, by far, is what people actually picture in their mind when they hear "mass shooting".
potato3732842 2y ago
>547 so far this year. If we had equal justice for all in this country, this CEO shooting would have barely made local news, maybe. Don't lie at us with statistics like that. The bulk of those so called "mass shootings", normal crimes gone off the rails and other things that are nowhere near what people think when you use the words "mass shooting", which is almost certainly the slight of hand you're going for. 2+ victims is a mass shooting per the FBI definition. While what you say and like you reference is technically true it's also a particularly evil way to mislead the reader to portray it as you did. The typical mass shooting on that list consists of 2-4 people shot over the course of an otherwise normal crime (usually a crime for profit gone off the rails or the drug industry DIYing dispute resolution) wheres the colloquial definition of "mass shooting" is more along the lines of a crazy suicidal person killing as many others as they can. Pretty much every mass shooting by the colloquial definition makes the national news. I am unaware of any one that has not.
- waterhouse 2y ago
  > Pretty much every mass shooting by the colloquial definition makes the national news. I am unaware of any one that has not. Now that sounds like obvious selection bias. Also, the Wikipedia article says "specifically for the purposes of this article, a total of four or more victims". But the point about the categorization is well taken. As the article says: "Many incidents involving organized crime and gang violence are included."
  - randyrand 2y ago
    And this ‘mass shooting’ list also includes injuries NOT caused by shooting. What’s the point of that? “ A man was killed and three women were injured when they fired upon in a vehicle on eastbound Roosevelt Road near Cicero Avenue in Cicero. The victims fled north onto Cicero Avenue into Chicago where they crashed, leading to three others being injured in the crash.[16]” ^ Who would call this a mass shooting?