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It wouldn't be the first time the police/three letters agencies lie about how they identified/located a suspect to not leak potentially illegal surveillance pro

It wouldn't be the first time the police/three letters agencies lie about how they identified/located a suspect to not leak potentially illegal surveillance processes

patrickk 2y ago
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction
- lazystar 2y ago
  and its looking like they jumped the gun on brian kohberger. they keep delaying the trial; i would not be surprised if he goes free.
__alexs 2y ago
Agree but doesn't explain why he would be carrying so much incriminating stuff around with him.
- Cumpiler69 2y ago
  Maybe because he wanted to get caught? Or at least expected it and knew there was no way he'd get away with it.
- throw_a_grenade 2y ago
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  - lukan 2y ago
    "it's equally possible that he didn't have this stuff on him, but it was planted by the police themselves." That would mean, there is a 50% chance that in general all the evidence has a 50% chance of being fake. And this is likely a bit of a exxageration.
    - benterix 2y ago
      > there is a 50% chance that in general all the evidence has a 50% chance of being fake No, not all evidence - only the one needed for the Parallel Construction.
    - dartos 2y ago
      Just because there are 2 possibilities doesn’t mean they’re both equally probable.
      - lukan 2y ago
        "it's equally possible" The word equally possible implies equal chances for me. Otherwise it is equally possible, that the evidence was in fact planted by aliens.
        stavros 2y ago
        For what it's worth, to me, "it's equally possible" means "it's also possible, however remotely". I know it doesn't make sense, but, then again, neither does "I could care less".
        deleted 2y ago
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        jgwil2 2y ago
        I think in casual speech "equally possible" usually is taken to mean "also possible." I think most people would say "equally likely" to express what you're saying.
        lukan 2y ago
        Thank you, I am not a native english speaker.
        kevinventullo 2y ago
  - LynchDems 2y ago
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  - wil421 2y ago
    Not it’s not. If they planted his back pack then surely his high profile pro bono lawyers are going to get him out of it.
    - mkmk 2y ago
      Why would they be pro bono? He comes from a very wealthy family.
      - InfiniteLoup 2y ago
        Lawyers tripping over each other to have their names associated with a potentially historic case. Remember how the Kardashian family originally became famous and some of them are billionaires now.
        ceejayoz 2y ago
        The Kardashians were already close to OJ pre-trial. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kardashian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kardashian > Simpson was the best man at Kardashian and Kris Houghton's wedding in 1978. > Following the June 12, 1994, murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman, Simpson stayed in Kardashian's house to avoid the media. Kardashian was the man seen carrying Simpson's garment bag the day that Simpson flew back from Chicago. Prosecutors speculated that the bag may have contained Simpson's bloody clothes or the murder weapon. > As one of Simpson's lawyers and a member of the defense "Dream Team", Kardashian could not be compelled or subpoenaed to testify against Simpson in the case, which included Simpson's past history and behavior with his ex-wife Nicole, and as to the contents of Simpson's garment bag.
        dragonwriter 2y ago
        > Remember how the Kardashian family originally became famous Founding Movie Tunes?
        InfiniteLoup 2y ago
        That's a very fun fact. Thanks for sharing.
  - Tiktaalik 2y ago
    There's already been a suggestion from Luigi that the money was planted.
- CPLX 2y ago
  My theory is that he wasn’t done assassinating CEOs. It’s the obvious answer as to why he still had the gun on him.
  - ayewo 2y ago
    Assuming this (now deleted) post outlining his justification was indeed penned by the killer, he clearly had a motive to kill UH’s CEO but not others. https://archive.is/2024.12.09-230659/https://breloomlegacy.substack.com/p/the-allopathic-complex-and-its-consequences https://archive.is/2024.12.09-230659/https://breloomlegacy.s...
    - jampekka 2y ago
      Given the wealth of Luigi Mangione's family, if he's the killer, this sounds unlikely to be penned by him (or at least his own story).
      - itchyouch 2y ago
        Just because his family is wealthy does not mean that his mother was financially supported for her healthcare. It's quite possible that the family patriarch held the purse strings and deemed that health insurance was the line for their financial support. I'm in a similar situation with a family member and we are spending around 4-5k/month in a variety of non-allopathic strategies for this family member's health care. However, the family patriarch has drawn the line where his financial support is in providing housing, so the 4-5k is picked up by other family members.
        ashleyn 2y ago
        You can be a literal millionaire and bled dry by mounting health insurance claim denials. There is little anyone can do to protect themselves from this outcome, save for not getting sick or becoming a billionaire. The health system in the US is insanely broken.
        vouwfietsman 2y ago
hnbad 2y ago
It seems far more likely to be a case of incompetence. Law enforcement actually has an extremely low rate of "solving" cases, especially if you exclude all the "solved" cases where the suspect is caught on scene or that end in a plea bargain (i.e. did not have to establish sufficient evidence in the first place). Ever since he got "caught" (if you can call someone literally telling the police where he is "the police catching him"), all I've been hearing about is how the police wants to use DNA evidence and bullet "fingerpints" (i.e. attempting to demonstrate that a bullet was not only fired from a given type of gun but a specific singular gun of that type) and other CSI woo to now tie the actual crime to him. They might actually be lucky and produce matches in this case as they have the actual suspect and murder weapon (assuming this wasn't an extremely unlikely 5D chess move of using a body double fall guy and/or different gun) but both of these types of evidence are extremely unreliable and rarely help actually finding the suspect even if they make for good television when they work. As I understand it the police even walked back on the mayor's initial claim about "having a name" to "having a list of names" - not to mention that you don't call in the FBI when you already have good leads yourself (if only for optics/political reasons). He seems to have been mentally unstable for a while before engaging in this killing and the fact he wrote a manifesto strongly suggests he had an intention of being caught or at least considered it highly likely. The monopoly money bag wasn't necessarily a "red herring" as everyone I heard talk about it interpreted it as intending to send a message, which seems to agree with the apparent contents of his manifesto (based on what news reports have cited from it). The water bottle the police now wants to use for DNA evidence may have been deliberately left there for this purpose, too. Based on what I've heard of his manifesto, he may have intended to kill other people too but have realized the difficulty involved given that his very public first killing likely spooked the other people on his list. I think it's more likely he didn't fully plan out an entire sequence of killings or didn't account for these complications and essentially gave up, settling on being caught sooner rather than later. People generally don't write manifestos when they don't also want to take credit for their actions.
- lazide 2y ago
  They don’t even need to actually tie him to the killing to put him in jail for a long time - possession of an illegal suppressor is a slam dunk here, and that’s major jail time.

It wouldn't be the first time the police/three letters agencies lie about how they identified/located a suspect to not leak potentially illegal surveillance processes

patrickk 2y ago

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Parallel_construction

lazystar 2y ago
and its looking like they jumped the gun on brian kohberger. they keep delaying the trial; i would not be surprised if he goes free.

__alexs 2y ago

Agree but doesn't explain why he would be carrying so much incriminating stuff around with him.

Cumpiler69 2y ago
Maybe because he wanted to get caught? Or at least expected it and knew there was no way he'd get away with it.
throw_a_grenade 2y ago
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- lukan 2y ago
  "it's equally possible that he didn't have this stuff on him, but it was planted by the police themselves." That would mean, there is a 50% chance that in general all the evidence has a 50% chance of being fake. And this is likely a bit of a exxageration.
  - benterix 2y ago
    > there is a 50% chance that in general all the evidence has a 50% chance of being fake No, not all evidence - only the one needed for the Parallel Construction.
  - dartos 2y ago
    Just because there are 2 possibilities doesn’t mean they’re both equally probable.
    - lukan 2y ago
      "it's equally possible" The word equally possible implies equal chances for me. Otherwise it is equally possible, that the evidence was in fact planted by aliens.
      - stavros 2y ago
        For what it's worth, to me, "it's equally possible" means "it's also possible, however remotely". I know it doesn't make sense, but, then again, neither does "I could care less".
        deleted 2y ago
        [deleted]
      - jgwil2 2y ago
        I think in casual speech "equally possible" usually is taken to mean "also possible." I think most people would say "equally likely" to express what you're saying.
        lukan 2y ago
        Thank you, I am not a native english speaker.
        kevinventullo 2y ago
- LynchDems 2y ago
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- wil421 2y ago
  Not it’s not. If they planted his back pack then surely his high profile pro bono lawyers are going to get him out of it.
  - mkmk 2y ago
    Why would they be pro bono? He comes from a very wealthy family.
    - InfiniteLoup 2y ago
      Lawyers tripping over each other to have their names associated with a potentially historic case. Remember how the Kardashian family originally became famous and some of them are billionaires now.
      - ceejayoz 2y ago
        The Kardashians were already close to OJ pre-trial. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kardashian https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Robert_Kardashian > Simpson was the best man at Kardashian and Kris Houghton's wedding in 1978. > Following the June 12, 1994, murder of Nicole Brown Simpson and Ronald Goldman, Simpson stayed in Kardashian's house to avoid the media. Kardashian was the man seen carrying Simpson's garment bag the day that Simpson flew back from Chicago. Prosecutors speculated that the bag may have contained Simpson's bloody clothes or the murder weapon. > As one of Simpson's lawyers and a member of the defense "Dream Team", Kardashian could not be compelled or subpoenaed to testify against Simpson in the case, which included Simpson's past history and behavior with his ex-wife Nicole, and as to the contents of Simpson's garment bag.
      - dragonwriter 2y ago
        > Remember how the Kardashian family originally became famous Founding Movie Tunes?
        InfiniteLoup 2y ago
        That's a very fun fact. Thanks for sharing.
- Tiktaalik 2y ago
  There's already been a suggestion from Luigi that the money was planted.
CPLX 2y ago
My theory is that he wasn’t done assassinating CEOs. It’s the obvious answer as to why he still had the gun on him.
- ayewo 2y ago
  Assuming this (now deleted) post outlining his justification was indeed penned by the killer, he clearly had a motive to kill UH’s CEO but not others. https://archive.is/2024.12.09-230659/https://breloomlegacy.substack.com/p/the-allopathic-complex-and-its-consequences https://archive.is/2024.12.09-230659/https://breloomlegacy.s...
  - jampekka 2y ago
    Given the wealth of Luigi Mangione's family, if he's the killer, this sounds unlikely to be penned by him (or at least his own story).
    - itchyouch 2y ago
      Just because his family is wealthy does not mean that his mother was financially supported for her healthcare. It's quite possible that the family patriarch held the purse strings and deemed that health insurance was the line for their financial support. I'm in a similar situation with a family member and we are spending around 4-5k/month in a variety of non-allopathic strategies for this family member's health care. However, the family patriarch has drawn the line where his financial support is in providing housing, so the 4-5k is picked up by other family members.
      - ashleyn 2y ago
        You can be a literal millionaire and bled dry by mounting health insurance claim denials. There is little anyone can do to protect themselves from this outcome, save for not getting sick or becoming a billionaire. The health system in the US is insanely broken.
      - vouwfietsman 2y ago

hnbad 2y ago

It seems far more likely to be a case of incompetence. Law enforcement actually has an extremely low rate of "solving" cases, especially if you exclude all the "solved" cases where the suspect is caught on scene or that end in a plea bargain (i.e. did not have to establish sufficient evidence in the first place). Ever since he got "caught" (if you can call someone literally telling the police where he is "the police catching him"), all I've been hearing about is how the police wants to use DNA evidence and bullet "fingerpints" (i.e. attempting to demonstrate that a bullet was not only fired from a given type of gun but a specific singular gun of that type) and other CSI woo to now tie the actual crime to him. They might actually be lucky and produce matches in this case as they have the actual suspect and murder weapon (assuming this wasn't an extremely unlikely 5D chess move of using a body double fall guy and/or different gun) but both of these types of evidence are extremely unreliable and rarely help actually finding the suspect even if they make for good television when they work. As I understand it the police even walked back on the mayor's initial claim about "having a name" to "having a list of names" - not to mention that you don't call in the FBI when you already have good leads yourself (if only for optics/political reasons). He seems to have been mentally unstable for a while before engaging in this killing and the fact he wrote a manifesto strongly suggests he had an intention of being caught or at least considered it highly likely. The monopoly money bag wasn't necessarily a "red herring" as everyone I heard talk about it interpreted it as intending to send a message, which seems to agree with the apparent contents of his manifesto (based on what news reports have cited from it). The water bottle the police now wants to use for DNA evidence may have been deliberately left there for this purpose, too. Based on what I've heard of his manifesto, he may have intended to kill other people too but have realized the difficulty involved given that his very public first killing likely spooked the other people on his list. I think it's more likely he didn't fully plan out an entire sequence of killings or didn't account for these complications and essentially gave up, settling on being caught sooner rather than later. People generally don't write manifestos when they don't also want to take credit for their actions.

lazide 2y ago
They don’t even need to actually tie him to the killing to put him in jail for a long time - possession of an illegal suppressor is a slam dunk here, and that’s major jail time.