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I don't know if this has been posted already, but here is his manifesto https://archive.is/2024.12.09-230659/https://breloomlegacy.substack.com/p/the-allopathi

I don't know if this has been posted already, but here is his manifesto https://archive.is/2024.12.09-230659/https://breloomlegacy.substack.com/p/the-allopathic-complex-and-its-consequences https://archive.is/2024.12.09-230659/https://breloomlegacy.s... Sounds like both he and his mother were suffering from chronic pain and UHC dicked them around and refused to act in good faith

nadermx 2y ago
There is a front page reddit post showing bushy eyebrows vs none. So more likely not the guy
bushbaba 2y ago
Hopefully this is the catalyst to major reform. Insurance companies have a deal with us, yet constantly find ways to deny claims. Even pregnancy I had a claim denied, from a procedure the INSURANCE demanded I get.
- numbsafari 2y ago
  Expect no changes. He’s been caught, Atlas shrugs.
  - deleted 2y ago
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calgarymicro 2y ago
Was this linked from any of his existing social medias? Do we have any way of knowing it's actually him? I'd be just a tad cautious at this stage, given that the Substack page says it was 'Launched an hour ago' as of writing. The article, sure, dead man's switch, but the Substack publication itself was only created after his arrest? Edit: also worth noting that whatever this is, it's not the document he had with him when he was arrested, since that apparently contained[0] the following excerpt, while this doesn't > “These parasites had it coming,” one line from the document reads, according to a police official who has seen it. Another reads, “I do apologize for any strife and trauma, but it had to be done.” [0]https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/09/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-shooter-monday/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/09/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian...
- matrix87 2y ago
  this archive link is floating around on blind and reddit. I have no idea if it's authentic. I didn't find a link to his other social media but the part about back pain lines up with this bit I found in a nymag article [0] > Something seems to have changed in recent months. Martin told a Hawaii publication that his friend had suffered chronic back pain and texted him images after getting surgery before going “radio silent” over the summer. Asked in court if he was in contact with family, Mangione said “until recently.” [0] https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/luigi-mangione-unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/luigi-mangione-unite...
  - calgarymicro 2y ago
    The Substack is still live[0]. Anyway, one of the images in his Twitter banner[1] is an X-ray of a spine with a bunch of screws in it. The Substack is also named after Breloom and has a picture at the bottom, and that's also in the Twitter banner but doesn't seem otherwise prominent in any of his social medias. Not very hard to figure out a spinal issue as a potential motive and guess at an interest based on the banner and cook up a quick viral post. I'm not saying it's definitely fake, just urging a bit of caution for the time being. [0]https://breloomlegacy.substack.com/p/the-allopathic-complex-and-its-consequences https://breloomlegacy.substack.com/p/the-allopathic-complex-... [1]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GeYOLH2WgAA16X7.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GeYOLH2WgAA16X7.jpg
    - matrix87 2y ago
      > The Substack is still live This might be a bug in substack? If you go to https://substack.com/@breloomlegacy https://substack.com/@breloomlegacy it says "Profile not found", so they might've tried to scrub it maybe some cache ttl hasn't run out yet or something :/
      - calgarymicro 2y ago
        I dunno, but the article continues to be live, and I can't imagine Substack doesn't know how to scrub posts from their platform if they wanted to. We'll find out eventually I guess, so I'll continue to urge people to be cautious with this and wait a bit.
WD-42 2y ago
That is an intense read.
- xcrunner529 2y ago
  I really don’t think we should be giving it any attention right now without any verification of it. Probably some loser asked ChatGPT to spit shit out.
ALittleLight 2y ago
I doubt this is real. The New York Times mentions that he comes from a prosperous family - seems incongruous with his mother lacking healthcare desperately. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/nyregion/who-is-luigi-mangione.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/nyregion/who-is-luigi-man...
- Blackthorn 2y ago
  Joe Biden, the vice president of the United States at the time, was seriously struggling with healthcare costs. Prosperous families can quickly become unprosperous from healthcare in this country.
- SamoyedFurFluff 2y ago
  I would buy that a wealthy person would have the anger and the resources to learn how to stalk, make a plan, use a weapon. Poverty is a drain on your mental capacity for nearly everything else besides survival. Also I don’t doubt that his mother would lack healthcare desperately even when wealthy. Women in pain are one the biggest demographics of denied healthcare. Even extremely wealthy, well-connected women.
  - burningChrome 2y ago
    So instead of using her money to find care elsewhere with a different company or even in a different country, he just decided to murder the CEO of the company that denied his coverage? How absolutely insane does that sound? My buddy was a pro hockey player. He retired and a few years later, he blew out his knee. He didn't have insurance and was in a lot of pain every day. He knew he couldn't afford a 25K bill for surgery so he got on a plane, flew to Argentina, got his surgery done, stayed for two weeks and flew back. The whole ordeal cost him around 8K for the whole deal. Instead of plotting to kill the CEO of some healthcare company, he found a solution to his problem instead. This is the difference between this guy and thousands of other people who are in chronic pain. Some smoke weed, some find treatments in other countries, some find homeopathic remedies and many other combinations therein. They don't just go off the deep end and plot to murder someone because they felt so wronged by a health care company. What has he accomplished by doing what he did? Nothing. There's already been a video of the new CEO to employees about how they intend to stay the path of denying necessary treatments and expenditures. All of that pent up hate and anger and instead of channeling that into doing something positive for himself and his mother, he just took out on the CEO of a company instead.
Dem_Boys 2y ago
He would be awaken in the night to his mother screaming in pain while United healthcare denied claims and refused new treatment. She had severe neuropathy. Holy shit this would leave a scar on anyone. I couldn't even imagine the emotional pain this causes. Not saying this justifies murder but what would you do if a close loved one was screaming in agony daily and there's nothing you can do about it because the insurance company is blocking treatments?
- tanseydavid 2y ago
  And then later: "Now my own chronic back pain wakes me in the night, screaming in pain." What an interesting coincidence that he developed a medical condition that wakes him with screaming as well.
  - runako 2y ago
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    - cjbgkagh 2y ago
      Hypermobile Ehlers Danlos (hEDS) can cause Small Fiber Neuropathy and back pain, as well as poor healing from surgery. It’s also more common in engineering type people, higher IQ, ADHD, anxiety disorder etc It’s probably the most under-diagnosed condition in general. It’s also autosomal dominant. Can present as psychosomatic - gaslighting from doctors is typical. It’s a shame more people don’t know about it because there are ways to effectively treat it - it’s an area where patient communities are far ahead of the medical community. So this could be a failure on two fronts, a failure of insurance but even if they had unlimited coverage there still would have been a failure in treatment.
      - s5300 2y ago
        [dead]
    - searealist 2y ago
      You are talking about schizophrenia, right?
latentcall 2y ago
Some say it’s fake, some say it’s real. I think it’s very well written and raw and therefore if it is fake, it’s very convincing. He could have help on the outside to post things also.
grandmczeb 2y ago
This is an extremely obvious fake. Here’s a description of the actual manifesto from the NYT: > The 262-word handwritten manifesto that the police found on Luigi Mangione begins with the writer appearing to take responsibility for the murder, according to a senior law enforcement official who saw the document. It notes that as UnitedHealthcare’s market capitalization has grown, American life expectancy has not. “To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn’t working with anyone,” he wrote. The note condemns companies that “continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allowed them to get away with it.” > The handwritten manifesto found on Mangione contained the passages “These parasites had it coming” and “I do apologize for any strife and trauma, but it had to be done,” according to a senior law enforcement official who saw the document. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/09/nyregion/unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting-news https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/09/nyregion/unitedhealt...
almost_usual 2y ago
No idea if this is real or not but neuropathy is horrible. I had a mild case of it after hurting my back which caused spinal inflammation. Sensations of tiny zaps all over my body 24/7, most noticeable when falling asleep. Ibuprofen helped a bit, fortunately it went away after a few months.
xcrunner529 2y ago
And I was right. This is fake and his real manifesto is here: https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto I was suspicious from the link and “last words” BS and even moreso with the cringe gladiator references. Typical weirdo fan fan material.

nadermx 2y ago

There is a front page reddit post showing bushy eyebrows vs none. So more likely not the guy

bushbaba 2y ago

Hopefully this is the catalyst to major reform. Insurance companies have a deal with us, yet constantly find ways to deny claims. Even pregnancy I had a claim denied, from a procedure the INSURANCE demanded I get.

numbsafari 2y ago
Expect no changes. He’s been caught, Atlas shrugs.
- deleted 2y ago
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calgarymicro 2y ago

Was this linked from any of his existing social medias? Do we have any way of knowing it's actually him? I'd be just a tad cautious at this stage, given that the Substack page says it was 'Launched an hour ago' as of writing. The article, sure, dead man's switch, but the Substack publication itself was only created after his arrest? Edit: also worth noting that whatever this is, it's not the document he had with him when he was arrested, since that apparently contained[0] the following excerpt, while this doesn't > “These parasites had it coming,” one line from the document reads, according to a police official who has seen it. Another reads, “I do apologize for any strife and trauma, but it had to be done.” [0]https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/09/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian-thompson-shooter-monday/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/12/09/us/unitedhealthcare-ceo-brian...

matrix87 2y ago
this archive link is floating around on blind and reddit. I have no idea if it's authentic. I didn't find a link to his other social media but the part about back pain lines up with this bit I found in a nymag article [0] > Something seems to have changed in recent months. Martin told a Hawaii publication that his friend had suffered chronic back pain and texted him images after getting surgery before going “radio silent” over the summer. Asked in court if he was in contact with family, Mangione said “until recently.” [0] https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/luigi-mangione-unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting.html https://nymag.com/intelligencer/article/luigi-mangione-unite...
- calgarymicro 2y ago
  The Substack is still live[0]. Anyway, one of the images in his Twitter banner[1] is an X-ray of a spine with a bunch of screws in it. The Substack is also named after Breloom and has a picture at the bottom, and that's also in the Twitter banner but doesn't seem otherwise prominent in any of his social medias. Not very hard to figure out a spinal issue as a potential motive and guess at an interest based on the banner and cook up a quick viral post. I'm not saying it's definitely fake, just urging a bit of caution for the time being. [0]https://breloomlegacy.substack.com/p/the-allopathic-complex-and-its-consequences https://breloomlegacy.substack.com/p/the-allopathic-complex-... [1]https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GeYOLH2WgAA16X7.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/GeYOLH2WgAA16X7.jpg
  - matrix87 2y ago
    > The Substack is still live This might be a bug in substack? If you go to https://substack.com/@breloomlegacy https://substack.com/@breloomlegacy it says "Profile not found", so they might've tried to scrub it maybe some cache ttl hasn't run out yet or something :/
    - calgarymicro 2y ago
      I dunno, but the article continues to be live, and I can't imagine Substack doesn't know how to scrub posts from their platform if they wanted to. We'll find out eventually I guess, so I'll continue to urge people to be cautious with this and wait a bit.

WD-42 2y ago

That is an intense read.

xcrunner529 2y ago
I really don’t think we should be giving it any attention right now without any verification of it. Probably some loser asked ChatGPT to spit shit out.

ALittleLight 2y ago

I doubt this is real. The New York Times mentions that he comes from a prosperous family - seems incongruous with his mother lacking healthcare desperately. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/nyregion/who-is-luigi-mangione.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/09/nyregion/who-is-luigi-man...

Blackthorn 2y ago
Joe Biden, the vice president of the United States at the time, was seriously struggling with healthcare costs. Prosperous families can quickly become unprosperous from healthcare in this country.
SamoyedFurFluff 2y ago
I would buy that a wealthy person would have the anger and the resources to learn how to stalk, make a plan, use a weapon. Poverty is a drain on your mental capacity for nearly everything else besides survival. Also I don’t doubt that his mother would lack healthcare desperately even when wealthy. Women in pain are one the biggest demographics of denied healthcare. Even extremely wealthy, well-connected women.
- burningChrome 2y ago
  So instead of using her money to find care elsewhere with a different company or even in a different country, he just decided to murder the CEO of the company that denied his coverage? How absolutely insane does that sound? My buddy was a pro hockey player. He retired and a few years later, he blew out his knee. He didn't have insurance and was in a lot of pain every day. He knew he couldn't afford a 25K bill for surgery so he got on a plane, flew to Argentina, got his surgery done, stayed for two weeks and flew back. The whole ordeal cost him around 8K for the whole deal. Instead of plotting to kill the CEO of some healthcare company, he found a solution to his problem instead. This is the difference between this guy and thousands of other people who are in chronic pain. Some smoke weed, some find treatments in other countries, some find homeopathic remedies and many other combinations therein. They don't just go off the deep end and plot to murder someone because they felt so wronged by a health care company. What has he accomplished by doing what he did? Nothing. There's already been a video of the new CEO to employees about how they intend to stay the path of denying necessary treatments and expenditures. All of that pent up hate and anger and instead of channeling that into doing something positive for himself and his mother, he just took out on the CEO of a company instead.

Dem_Boys 2y ago

He would be awaken in the night to his mother screaming in pain while United healthcare denied claims and refused new treatment. She had severe neuropathy. Holy shit this would leave a scar on anyone. I couldn't even imagine the emotional pain this causes. Not saying this justifies murder but what would you do if a close loved one was screaming in agony daily and there's nothing you can do about it because the insurance company is blocking treatments?

tanseydavid 2y ago
And then later: "Now my own chronic back pain wakes me in the night, screaming in pain." What an interesting coincidence that he developed a medical condition that wakes him with screaming as well.
- runako 2y ago
  [flagged]
  - cjbgkagh 2y ago
    Hypermobile Ehlers Danlos (hEDS) can cause Small Fiber Neuropathy and back pain, as well as poor healing from surgery. It’s also more common in engineering type people, higher IQ, ADHD, anxiety disorder etc It’s probably the most under-diagnosed condition in general. It’s also autosomal dominant. Can present as psychosomatic - gaslighting from doctors is typical. It’s a shame more people don’t know about it because there are ways to effectively treat it - it’s an area where patient communities are far ahead of the medical community. So this could be a failure on two fronts, a failure of insurance but even if they had unlimited coverage there still would have been a failure in treatment.
    - s5300 2y ago
      [dead]
  - searealist 2y ago
    You are talking about schizophrenia, right?

latentcall 2y ago

Some say it’s fake, some say it’s real. I think it’s very well written and raw and therefore if it is fake, it’s very convincing. He could have help on the outside to post things also.

grandmczeb 2y ago

This is an extremely obvious fake. Here’s a description of the actual manifesto from the NYT: > The 262-word handwritten manifesto that the police found on Luigi Mangione begins with the writer appearing to take responsibility for the murder, according to a senior law enforcement official who saw the document. It notes that as UnitedHealthcare’s market capitalization has grown, American life expectancy has not. “To save you a lengthy investigation, I state plainly that I wasn’t working with anyone,” he wrote. The note condemns companies that “continue to abuse our country for immense profit because the American public has allowed them to get away with it.” > The handwritten manifesto found on Mangione contained the passages “These parasites had it coming” and “I do apologize for any strife and trauma, but it had to be done,” according to a senior law enforcement official who saw the document. https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/09/nyregion/unitedhealthcare-ceo-shooting-news https://www.nytimes.com/live/2024/12/09/nyregion/unitedhealt...

almost_usual 2y ago

No idea if this is real or not but neuropathy is horrible. I had a mild case of it after hurting my back which caused spinal inflammation. Sensations of tiny zaps all over my body 24/7, most noticeable when falling asleep. Ibuprofen helped a bit, fortunately it went away after a few months.

xcrunner529 2y ago

And I was right. This is fake and his real manifesto is here: https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto https://www.kenklippenstein.com/p/luigis-manifesto I was suspicious from the link and “last words” BS and even moreso with the cringe gladiator references. Typical weirdo fan fan material.