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For anyone reading stuff like this, read Ellul’s Technological Society instead. Optionally followed by “The Meaning of the City.” I haven’t read the manifesto a
by mcshaner1 2y ago
For anyone reading stuff like this, read Ellul’s Technological Society instead. Optionally followed by “The Meaning of the City.” I haven’t read the manifesto and don’t plan to; it apparently cited Ellul a fair amount and Ellul seems like a saner guide.
- vouaobrasil 2y agoActually, David Skrbina's "The Metaphysics of Technology" is the most easily readable, comprehensive cover of critical philosophical views towards technology from the ancient greeks until modern time. Ted K made virtually no reference to Ellul in his manifesto either. In either case, both were quite sane. Ted's manifesto is not a philosophical analysis of technology like Ellul or Skrbina. Ted's manifesto is a practical treatise agains technology and its primary thesis is that technological society must be destroyed.
- anigbrowl 2y agoWhy not both? Ted Kaczynski was an important thinker whether or not you agree with his thesis and methods. ISAIF was published in newspapers and the sky didn't fall.
- keiferski 2y ago“Important thinker” is a stretch. Most actual philosophers of technology are far more coherent and knowledgeable.
- anigbrowl 2y agoI think his ideas come across more clearly and coherently in his later work than in his manifesto, but that's often the case. I don't regard him as a philosopher but rather an agitator, not unlike Thomas Paine or (insert your preferred historical figure here). This largely because his writing is not in a spirit of inquiry over where technology might go, rather it is conclusory - industrialism is path-dependent and net negative, with the only open questions being how to undermine it effectively.
- keiferski 2y agoHis works read like a book-smart guy that thought his intelligence in X field translated into intelligence at large. It didn't, and frankly his actions were so illogical and nonsensical that it's a puzzle why people think he is some sort of misunderstood genius. He's no different than the many, many cranks writing ill-informed manifestos online.
- asveikau 2y agoI tried to read Kaczynski's manifesto once and came away with the impression he was mentally ill. I think there's stuff in there that impresses people with personality types who are disposed to agree with him, and it sounds cogent to those people, but I found it hard to escape that he was pretty incoherent and made logical leaps into a private reality.
- RUnconcerned 2y agoI mean, he was mentally ill. He was literally a victim of MKULTRA. That does not necessarily disqualify everything he wrote, however.
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- asveikau 2y agoI can't recall the details, but I saw a documentary that made me doubt that the mkultra experience was very formative for him. Iirc he had a big change in his outlook and demeanor at around the typical age of onset for schizophrenia and similar issues. According to what I've read, these conditions seemingly have multiple causative factors within an individual, genetic and environmental, where "environmental" factors can include stuff that started in the womb.
- beeflet 2y agoYou should read it, It did not cite Ellul.
- oldsklgdfth 2y ago+1 on Ellul’s work. Though it is quite long. A book with similar sentiment that is more approachable is Neil Postman’s Technopoly.