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"This is not a joke, Funko just called my mom"
- omoikane 2y agoRelated thread: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42363727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42363727 - Itch.io Taken Down by Funko (15 hours ago)
- thot_experiment 2y agoOne of the most glaringly broken things about society is that abuse of power is not punished harshly enough. We need Finnish speeding ticket style systems across the board.
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- jsheard 2y ago> We can achieve policy goals the old fashioned way. We choose not to. You want insurance reform? Vote in someone that will do it. Vote for who? There are two viable parties and neither supports insurance reform.
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- vjutfeubfc 2y agoI'd just like to point out, in case GP sees it, that no one here is advocating murder and that their comment wasn't flagged by advocates of murder. It was an inflammatory comment that broke the guidelines, so it got flagged. I didn't personally flag it, but I would've for that reason. That's all there is to it. If you don't feel like your relationship with HN is healthy or helpful for you, that's perfectly understandable, I have had to take many breaks from HN. But no, this community is not, by and large, pro murder. Occasionally there will be an unhinged troll literally calling for murder, but it's rare and I suspect most of it comes from a single individual (based on a hunch about writing style).
- tdb7893 2y agoAs an American the most surprising thing about the reaction to the CEO being killed is supposedly the system is bad enough where killing people is okay but I don't know many people who vote in primary elections or care about local elections (which are where many people have the most influence on the system) and I also know some people who didn't even vote in the general election. To be clear: This isn't me saying we shouldn't kill CEOs, this is me saying I think more people should vote in primaries and also try to make change on a local level
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- roenxi 2y ago> This isn't me saying we shouldn't kill CEOs... You probably should be saying that. As you point out, people haven't really exhausted the reasonable recourses so there is no reason to resort to unreasonable ones. Gunning people down on the street to exercise political pressure is barbaric and intolerable.
- tdb7893 2y agoI'm not saying we should either, it's more that discussing it on the internet feels like a waste of my time and the morality of it isn't my point
- jwagenet 2y agoI think the political pipeline is too slow for local activism to meaningfully impact state and national politics. People want to see change now, or at least progress in a 1-2 year timeframe.
- lolinder 2y ago> overwhelmingly — positive — reaction Be careful extrapolating from what you see on social media or—even worse—from news outlets' coverage of social media content. Social media is not representative of the real world, and the news media isn't incentivized to accurately describe the reactions on social media, so taking news stories about social media reactions is seeing the world through two bad filters, both of which will tend to exaggerate extremes.
- willis936 2y agoNot two bad filters, just one. The mainstream media is not acknowledging what is going on in social media. One is a vox that can be target of suggestion, the other is outright instruction. So mainstream media will never be a good indicator of what people think and social media sometimes can be. It's important to ask: "who would feel the assassination is bad? Why would they feel that way? Who would share those principles?" I think the answers at the end point towards the assassination being a popular act. That should be raising hairs.
- okasaki 2y agoMy manager made a joke about it, and then later I had a discussion with another coworker who the worst CEO in the UK is.
- wumeow 2y agoCase in point: the alleged killer was caught because someone recognized him in a McDonalds and called the cops.
- lxgr 2y agoThere is a $10k reward by the police for leads, so it could have also been that.
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- belfalas 2y ago> One of the most glaringly broken things about society is that abuse of power is not punished harshly enough. Maybe it's just me getting older but it seems like this has always been true across cultures and history. People like to believe that once they get power, they will act differently than the ones who came before. But in the overwhelming majority of cases, they end up being just like the people they replaced, if not worse. Every once in a while you get an exception but that's why we remember those people - because they were the exception.
- Spivak 2y agoIt's why I think the lottocracy people might have a point. Rocketing people from zero to power keeps you from experiencing the traumas associated with attaining or being given success and keeps your ego to a minimum because you know you literally did nothing to deserve it.
- belfalas 2y agoFirst time I had heard of lottocracy - interesting concept but I don't think I would like to be alive for it.
- kiba 2y agoJury duty. You get selected randomly for jury. Why not get randomly selected for urban planning and other duties?
- astrange 2y agoWe actually have that, called "civil grand juries", but they don't do very much. It'd work a lot better than the current urban planning system, which is hearings where only retirees with a lot of free time who are opposed to the project shows up.
- kiba 2y agoYes, I was talking about jury duty and sortition.
- Titan2189 2y agoFinnish speeding ticket fine calculator https://poliisi.fi/en/fine-counter https://poliisi.fi/en/fine-counter
- KerrAvon 2y agothere's a reason the Claims Adjuster is a folk hero
- notthemessiah 2y ago> According to the cybernetician, the purpose of a system is what it does. This is a basic dictum. It stands for bald fact, which makes a better starting point in seeking understanding than the familiar attributions of good intention, prejudices about expectations, moral judgment, or sheer ignorance of circumstances. - Stafford Beer If a system prioritizes copyright claims from the largest firms as casus belli against independent creators, and there are no attempts to reform such system and no recourse for independent creators, than we can only conclude such criminal negligence as intention, formalized within the priorities encoded within such a system. I just saw this a few days ago with Youtube channel Esoterica, which had a 10-second public domain recording of Chopin which was falsely flagged as copyright infringement. Dr. James Justin Sledge of Esoterica, despite having fair use of the clip, ended up commissioning an artist with an original recording (complete with unique changes to the public domain work) to avoid any confusion, but still got a takedown from UMG's copyright AI. As with any law, if public domain fair use isn't enforced, and to contest it is prohibitively expensive (as legal battles are often wars of attrition), then the public domain is useless, and major firms such as UMG can just function as feudal lords demanding the proceeds of any tenant peasant's work. As economist Yanis Varoufakis says, capitalism has been subsumed by techno-feudalism. https://www.youtube.com/@TheEsotericaChannel https://www.youtube.com/@TheEsotericaChannel
- dghlsakjg 2y agoI suspect that BrandShield is about to discover how much a lost day of sales costs Itch.io, plus some punitive damages thrown in. then they are about to discover that IP properties don't want to be associated with companies that get them involved in public lawsuits on the wrong side of their fandoms.
- rvba 2y agoSince corporations are people (but this kind of people who cannot go to prison), those tickets are definitely a good direction. Although I still think people inside the corporations should go to prison too, starting from CEOs.
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- pockmarked19 2y ago1.8% reported reading as unattractive. Person who made the graph didn't want to take any chances so they spelled the source 'psycology'.
- chad1n 2y agoAt this point, imagemagick and ffmpeg will be taken down due to copyright since there are cloud servers who trademarked converting from a file type to another.
- margalabargala 2y agoHow long until malicious actors begin forming companies like that with the express intention of doing denial-of-service attacks?
- freedomben 2y agoIronically, people doing this en masse would probably force some attention from those with power and might cause the scales to be a little more balanced. One can dream I guess.
- jojobas 2y agoFunny thing is it didn't have to be Funko or Brain Shield, anyone could have impersonated them in a takedown notice, it could have been a way more bogus notice too by the looks of it. It's definitely the registrar who's at fault here.
- nirvdrum 2y agoIt could have come from somebody else, but it didn’t.
- miki123211 2y agoYou don't even need a company, just pretending that you represent one is enough. The DMCA completely ignores how the digital world works; it was written in an age where interacting with the American legal system required you to have somebody physically located in the US. Back then, you didn't need any technical safeguards against this kind of abuse. As long as such abuse was illegal, and there was police to arrest those committing the crimes, it was enough. In technical terms, the security was implemented on a completely different layer of the stack. This is no longer the world we live in. There's nothing stopping somebody from e.g. Russia from pretending they're a relevant copyright agent, and forcing Youtube to remove anti-Putin videos.
- ahoka 2y agoDMCA takedown request to your hosting. Scam and fraud report to the domain registrar. Calling your mom. What’s next? Telling Santa?
- colechristensen 2y agoHopefully a very supportive set of lawyers from the EFF who see some low hanging fruit here.
- ronsor 2y ago> What’s next? Telling Santa? Only sudo does that.
- ionwake 2y agoSanta goes against their business model and so has been asked to desist
- BLKNSLVR 2y agoSanta doesn't exist. I have the lawsuit to prove it. I sued my parents with the help of Brandshield because they lied to me, and the fact that my younger self was naive enough to believe a lie (provably! my parents have video evidence of my being excited after they told me he was coming to visit) damaging to my brand: If I could believe a lie, then my followers might believe that my cryptocurrency predictions could be based on false information. (most of the above is fantasy that amused me to create)
- SuperNinKenDo 2y agoSanta deniers be like "that was your parents who slapped Arius at the council of Nicea!" Do not believe their lies.
- rvba 2y agoWell, if you want to go the dark route, look at what happened to that CEO in New York
- aliasxneo 2y agoTried digging a bit, but still quite lost. Who or what is Funko? The collectibles company?
- stuaxo 2y agoYes.
- margalabargala 2y agoYes, the collectibles company. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funko https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Funko
- pesus 2y agoKinda funny that they're doing this over "brand protection" when their entire "brand" is just regurgitating worse versions of existing brands' characters.
- Spivak 2y agoI don't like them but I'm sure they're licensing the content because you don't poke The Mouse on the national stage like that.
- ethernot 2y agoYes expensive landfill merchant.
- p1necone 2y agoThey fucking suck too, I miss when the collectibles shelf at game stores was filled with a bunch of cool looking action figures, now it's a wall of funko pops and maybe 10 non funko figures somewhere else.
- geor9e 2y agoThe first 500 results, without exception, when you google the word, is the collectibles company. What made you second guess your hunch?
- AndroTux 2y agoThis is hilarious
- AlienRobot 2y agoItch.io's mom? Like... the site?? What in the world?
- nemomarx 2y agowell the owners mom yeah they apparently tried to get itch.io removed from their registrar earlier today
- ASalazarMX 2y agoGuess that's a warning for everyone that filled the "Registrant Mom's" field in their domain purchase.
- ikurei 2y agoYes. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42363727 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42363727 - Itch.io Taken Down by Funko
- BLKNSLVR 2y ago/me registers Stifl.er
- hatthew 2y agoitch.io is over 10 years old, so my guess is that the owner was living with his parents when he registered the domain, and he never bothered updating the WHOIS when he presumably moved out in the intervening decade
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- mwinatschek 2y agoShit’s getting real when mom’s getting involved.
- phendrenad2 2y agoWell just call Mr. Funko's mom in return! phone rings from my bed in background That was fast guys!
- megalottachoc 2y agoPuts the meaning of takedown request in another light. :thumbs_up: :winking_emoji:
- tonetegeatinst 2y agoPOV: some poor law student gets to try and help navigate how to best help itch.io
- haunter 2y agoFunko's statement: >At Funko, we hold a deep respect and appreciation for indie games, indie gamers, and indie developers. We’re fans of fans, and we love the creativity and passion that define the indie gaming community. >Recently, one of our brand protection partners identified a page on http://itch.io http://itch.io imitating the Funko Fusion development website. A takedown request was issued to address this specific page. Funko did not request a takedown of the @itchio platform, and we’re happy the site was back up by this morning. >We have reached out to @itchio to engage with them on this issue and we deeply appreciate the understanding of the gaming community as the details are determined. Thank you for sharing in our passion for creativity. https://twitter.com/originalfunko/status/1866255848366039468 https://twitter.com/originalfunko/status/1866255848366039468
- mort96 2y agoThat sounds like a clear lie, no? If your wish is for someone to take down a specific page, you don't report them to their domain registrar for fraud.
- bill876 2y agoThey are saying "a partner did this, not us"
- mort96 2y agoYes, but they're also saying "A takedown request was issued to address this specific page". A fraud report to a domain registrar is categorically not something one does to address a "specific page", whether it's done by a partner or by them.
- jitl 2y agoIt’s very typical to report to a site’s host or provider on a specific page under the DMCA. The way this works is that the host will ask you to take down the page, and if you don’t, the host needs to take action or they become liable. This is conceptually covered as “DMCA safe harbor”, and the rules around it protect service providers from liability of their clients actions. AWS has a well-oiled machine for these kinds of complaints, but some registrars are located in corners of the earth and getting a line of communication to them is challenging. Notion’s worst outage to date happened because of a breakdown of forwarding complaints between a complainant, our DNS NIC in Somalia (.so), and the middlemen between us and Somalia - NameCheap, then some company in Germany who dropped the ball. Source: - I worked on UB Berkeley’s systems for handling takedown notices for infringing clients (students running BitTorrent in their dorms), we got lots of lectures on our legal duties as employees of CA state institutions - I worked how we protect Notion from liability & damage from misbehaving clients to ensure we never had another outage that threatened our main app domain
- mulmen 2y agoIn high school I got pulled over for speeding. The cop lectured me then told me he was calling my mom. I think his plan was to get me in trouble at home then send me off with a warning. I don’t think I laughed at the suggestion but I knew what was going to happen. He attempted to lecture her about what her son was doing but her only response was something like “ok, why are you calling me?” I think she may have also admonished him for wasting her time on the morning of a workday. He came back red faced but I’m not sure it was anger or embarrassment. Either way I got a ticket. I have a good mom.
- greyface- 2y agoHow did the cop get your mom's phone number?
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- greyface- 2y agoWhy do you think I knew the answer?
- geor9e 2y agoIt wouldn't surprise me if "takedown requests" and "debt collection" services merged into the same companies. Both try to threaten and scare their targets. Both usually won't follow through on their threats when ignored. Both take a shotgun approach of targeting a lot of people, hoping at least a few give in.
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- HeavyStorm 2y agoWhy is no one talking about the registrar actually accepting, without verification, the takedown request? It seems much worse than Funko filing the request.
- _7acn 2y agoExactly this! This is common. Corporations are afraid only and exclusively of lawsuits from other corporations or the government. They would literally prefer to do something unethical or even break the law (including constitutional law) as long as they avoid lawsuits from major players. The customer and the well-being of individuals do not matter
- rsynnott 2y agoThey probably wouldn't have for a DMCA complaint, but for _fraud_, frivolous complaints are rarer, and the consequences of _not_ acting promptly are potentially more serious. I suspect as the flow of 'AI'-powered 'brand management' spam grows, registrars will stop taking fraud complaints at all seriously, and the internet will get a little worse (because there certainly are legitimate cases).
- tremon 2y agoFrom the other linked thread (https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42364033 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42364033): About 5 or 6 days ago, I received these reports on our host (Linode) and from our registrar (iwantmyname). I expressed my disappointment in my responses to both of them but told them I had removed the page and disabled the account. Linode confirmed and closed the case. iwantmyname never responded. This evening, I got a downtime alert, and while debugging, I noticed that the domain status had been set to "serverHold" on iwantmyname's domain panel. We have no other abuse reports from iwantmyname other than this one. I'm assuming no one on their end "closed" the ticket, so it went into an automatic system to disable the domain after some number of days. > for _fraud_, frivolous complaints are rarer Yet, there is no liability shield for fraud allegations. The registrar is liable for all damages due to this downtime, which they wouldn't have been for a DMCA complaint.
- quyleanh 2y agoSorry for off-topic, why people want to share twitter.com link when it's already changed to x.com? When I click to that links, it's redirected anyway... It's just wasted time and for nothing, isn't it?
- floppiplopp 2y agoFucko, the garbage company.