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How is this not extremely inefficient to use? I guess you can use the "hints" as shown in https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/blob/main/doc/img/hints.png

How is this not extremely inefficient to use? I guess you can use the "hints" as shown in https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/blob/main/doc/img/hints.png https://github.com/qutebrowser/qutebrowser/blob/main/doc/img... but this is such a poor experience I can't fathom someone wanting this. All browsers already support keyboard shortcuts for 90% of the common browser operations (next / previous page, focusing the address bar, etc.), and anything on the page itself seems like a massive chore (except scrolling, which browsers also support).

IshKebab 2y ago
My theory is that some people see use of a mouse as a sign of noobery - which is true in some cases! Who do you think is more pro - the person who clicks Edit->Copy, or the person who clicks Ctrl-C? So their lizard brain thinks "mouse=stupid, keyboard=smart" and then they optimise for a sense of superiority.
- jwiz 2y ago
  Switching back and forth between keyboard and mouse is a pain. I used QB a lot at my last job but current one has too many things which need passwords entered frequently so I am reduced to vimium and chrome.
- vunderba 2y ago
  Or you know could be: - a user who prefers to minimize switching from mouse to keyboard, or vice versa - a user who has some RSI issues related to the index finger when clicking a mouse etc. etc. But no, let's go with the deliberately antagonistic strawman.
- nosioptar 2y ago
  I prefer the keyboard due to severe tendonitis in my wrist and arthritis in my hands. I can use a keyboard all day with no problem. A few hours with a mouse leaves me all swollen and in pain.
  - IshKebab 2y ago
    I used to get what I thought was RSI. I mean it was RSI. I tried all sorts of weird keyboards and mice (don't bother with vertical mice, they suck). What it turned out to be in the end was a poor desk setup. My desk wasn't deep enough so I wasn't resting my forearms on it very well, and I had a crap chair. With a deep desk and a fancy mesh chair (HM Mira; expensive but worth it), I haven't had any issues since. Maybe that's not the case for you but it's just a suggestion. Definitely made me suss of all the ergonomic keyboards and mouse - they made zero difference, and a better chair and desk completely solved the issue.
    - mariusor 2y ago
      I wonder why you'd imagine that ergonomic input devices would solve a problem with your seating arrangement? I think generally they solve issues that are left after posture has been fixed.
      - IshKebab 2y ago
        Here, I'll highlight the bit you missed: > What it turned out to be in the end
        mariusor 2y ago
        I was probably fixated on this: > Definitely made me suss of all the ergonomic keyboards and mouse
greggyb 2y ago
If you are looking at a link you want to follow, you press a single hotkey (default 'f'), and just type the two letters that appear directly where you're looking. If you want to open a lot of links in the background, e.g. if you're looking at the front page of HN, you can use the rapid follow action (default ';r') and just type a couple letters for each link you'd like to follow. Personally, this is much easier on my RSI than mousing to each link. Especially on a laptop with a trackpad. Additionally, the browser is fully configurable in Python, to a much greater degree than what you get from Firefox or Chrome. One seemingly small thing that I find quite convenient is that I can use reader mode or open a PDF and still keep hjkl for scrolling. I also use Tridactyl in Firefox, but Firefox's reader mode and opening PDFs turns disable extensions in the tab, so you can't use these scrolling keys. As for next and previous page, I think you're referring to history navigation forward and back. Qutebrowser includes built-in functionality to navigate in multi-page documents to the next page and previous page, e.g. documentation sites or html books. That shortcut is '[[' for previous and ']]' for next. So, for example, if I am on this section of SICP: https://sarabander.github.io/sicp/html/1_002e3.xhtml#g_t1_002e3 https://sarabander.github.io/sicp/html/1_002e3.xhtml#g_t1_00... and I press ']]' I immediately go to https://sarabander.github.io/sicp/html/Chapter-2.xhtml#Chapter-2 https://sarabander.github.io/sicp/html/Chapter-2.xhtml#Chapt... . This happens regardless of browser history. "Back" and "Forward" are different from "Previous" and "Next". I do not know of a similar piece of functionality in other mainstream browsers. This is all highly opinionated. I like vim-style shortcuts. I vastly prefer the experience of using qutebrowser (or a vim-like extension for another browser) over using a mouse exclusively or a mouse and keyboard mixed. If you, or someone else, prefers a different style of interaction with the browser, that's fine. It's not about right or wrong or better and worse, at least not in the abstract. It's about a user interaction paradigm that works well for an individual.
- bovine3dom 2y ago
  FWIW I got some of the way through embedding a PDF viewer in Tridactyl [1] so that the keys would still work there, but I backed off because I was a bit scared by how frequently pdf.js gets updated. In Tridactyl it'd get updated about twice a year so we might end up with unresolved security issues. Maybe there's a solution I've not thought of (CDN?). [1] https://github.com/tridactyl/tridactyl/issues/541#issuecomment-1512056501 https://github.com/tridactyl/tridactyl/issues/541#issuecomme...

IshKebab 2y ago

My theory is that some people see use of a mouse as a sign of noobery - which is true in some cases! Who do you think is more pro - the person who clicks Edit->Copy, or the person who clicks Ctrl-C? So their lizard brain thinks "mouse=stupid, keyboard=smart" and then they optimise for a sense of superiority.

jwiz 2y ago
Switching back and forth between keyboard and mouse is a pain. I used QB a lot at my last job but current one has too many things which need passwords entered frequently so I am reduced to vimium and chrome.
vunderba 2y ago
Or you know could be: - a user who prefers to minimize switching from mouse to keyboard, or vice versa - a user who has some RSI issues related to the index finger when clicking a mouse etc. etc. But no, let's go with the deliberately antagonistic strawman.
nosioptar 2y ago
I prefer the keyboard due to severe tendonitis in my wrist and arthritis in my hands. I can use a keyboard all day with no problem. A few hours with a mouse leaves me all swollen and in pain.
- IshKebab 2y ago
  I used to get what I thought was RSI. I mean it was RSI. I tried all sorts of weird keyboards and mice (don't bother with vertical mice, they suck). What it turned out to be in the end was a poor desk setup. My desk wasn't deep enough so I wasn't resting my forearms on it very well, and I had a crap chair. With a deep desk and a fancy mesh chair (HM Mira; expensive but worth it), I haven't had any issues since. Maybe that's not the case for you but it's just a suggestion. Definitely made me suss of all the ergonomic keyboards and mouse - they made zero difference, and a better chair and desk completely solved the issue.
  - mariusor 2y ago
    I wonder why you'd imagine that ergonomic input devices would solve a problem with your seating arrangement? I think generally they solve issues that are left after posture has been fixed.
    - IshKebab 2y ago
      Here, I'll highlight the bit you missed: > What it turned out to be in the end
      - mariusor 2y ago
        I was probably fixated on this: > Definitely made me suss of all the ergonomic keyboards and mouse

greggyb 2y ago

If you are looking at a link you want to follow, you press a single hotkey (default 'f'), and just type the two letters that appear directly where you're looking. If you want to open a lot of links in the background, e.g. if you're looking at the front page of HN, you can use the rapid follow action (default ';r') and just type a couple letters for each link you'd like to follow. Personally, this is much easier on my RSI than mousing to each link. Especially on a laptop with a trackpad. Additionally, the browser is fully configurable in Python, to a much greater degree than what you get from Firefox or Chrome. One seemingly small thing that I find quite convenient is that I can use reader mode or open a PDF and still keep hjkl for scrolling. I also use Tridactyl in Firefox, but Firefox's reader mode and opening PDFs turns disable extensions in the tab, so you can't use these scrolling keys. As for next and previous page, I think you're referring to history navigation forward and back. Qutebrowser includes built-in functionality to navigate in multi-page documents to the next page and previous page, e.g. documentation sites or html books. That shortcut is '[[' for previous and ']]' for next. So, for example, if I am on this section of SICP: https://sarabander.github.io/sicp/html/1_002e3.xhtml#g_t1_002e3 https://sarabander.github.io/sicp/html/1_002e3.xhtml#g_t1_00... and I press ']]' I immediately go to https://sarabander.github.io/sicp/html/Chapter-2.xhtml#Chapter-2 https://sarabander.github.io/sicp/html/Chapter-2.xhtml#Chapt... . This happens regardless of browser history. "Back" and "Forward" are different from "Previous" and "Next". I do not know of a similar piece of functionality in other mainstream browsers. This is all highly opinionated. I like vim-style shortcuts. I vastly prefer the experience of using qutebrowser (or a vim-like extension for another browser) over using a mouse exclusively or a mouse and keyboard mixed. If you, or someone else, prefers a different style of interaction with the browser, that's fine. It's not about right or wrong or better and worse, at least not in the abstract. It's about a user interaction paradigm that works well for an individual.

bovine3dom 2y ago
FWIW I got some of the way through embedding a PDF viewer in Tridactyl [1] so that the keys would still work there, but I backed off because I was a bit scared by how frequently pdf.js gets updated. In Tridactyl it'd get updated about twice a year so we might end up with unresolved security issues. Maybe there's a solution I've not thought of (CDN?). [1] https://github.com/tridactyl/tridactyl/issues/541#issuecomment-1512056501 https://github.com/tridactyl/tridactyl/issues/541#issuecomme...