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I wonder if adding stickers, tattoos, or makeup that look like eyes above or below your real eyes would do it.

derefr 2y ago
There’s even a make-up trend of “enlarging” the eyes by painting the waterline of the lower eyelid white, that could be used as a justification for walking around like this even in a totalitarian police state.
- dylan604 2y ago
  In the current state of policing, this would just be probable cause or fits the description of type of things. Sure, you might not be identifiable by facial rec, but you'd be recognizable by every flatfoot out there, or even the see something say something crowd. Might as well just wear a face mask and sunglasses. If your FaceID can't recognize you, neither can the other systems.
  - buran77 2y ago
    > If your FaceID can't recognize you, neither can the other systems. FaceID can't recognize me if I tilt my head a bit too much to one side.
bsenftner 2y ago
That is, for now, 100% effective. I'm a former lead software scientist for one of the leading FR companies in the world. Pretty much all FR systems trying to operate at real time use a tiered approach to facial recognition. First detect for generic faces in an image, which collects various things that are not human faces but do collect every human face in an image. That's tier 1 image / video frame analysis, and the list of potential faces is passed on for further processing. This tier 1 analysis is the weakest part, if you can make your face fail the generic face test, it is as if you are invisible to the FR system. The easiest way to fail that generic face test is to not show your face, or to show a face that is "not human" such as has too many eyes, two noses, or a mouth above your eyes in place of any eyebrows. Sure, you'll stand out like a freak to other humans, but to the FR system you'll be invisible.
moffkalast 2y ago
Juggalo makeup is supposedly extremely effective. Just make sure you don't how how magnets work for plausible deniability.
- thefaux 2y ago
  I don't even have to pretend!
- marc_abonce 2y ago
  > Juggalo makeup is supposedly extremely effective. Yeah, it's supposed to be better than black metal makeup and even better than that early-2010's anti-detection makeup: https://consequence.net/2019/07/juggalo-makeup-facial-recognition/ https://consequence.net/2019/07/juggalo-makeup-facial-recogn... https://adam.harvey.studio/cvdazzle https://adam.harvey.studio/cvdazzle Although that was around 2018-2019 so, given how quickly face recognition is evolving, I wonder if juggalo makeup works anymore. Besides, as mentioned by many of the interviewees in OP's article, there's a balance between changing or hiding your facial features and looking "suspicious" or "unnatural" which is of course context dependent. Concerts are safer to "cheat" than airports.
dathinab 2y ago
Wrt. cameras with depth sensors like face unlock this isn't supper likely to work. Wrt. public cameras which don't have such features and are much further away and aren't supper high resolution either it maybe could even somewhat work.

There’s even a make-up trend of “enlarging” the eyes by painting the waterline of the lower eyelid white, that could be used as a justification for walking around like this even in a totalitarian police state.

dylan604 2y ago
In the current state of policing, this would just be probable cause or fits the description of type of things. Sure, you might not be identifiable by facial rec, but you'd be recognizable by every flatfoot out there, or even the see something say something crowd. Might as well just wear a face mask and sunglasses. If your FaceID can't recognize you, neither can the other systems.
- buran77 2y ago
  > If your FaceID can't recognize you, neither can the other systems. FaceID can't recognize me if I tilt my head a bit too much to one side.

bsenftner 2y ago

That is, for now, 100% effective. I'm a former lead software scientist for one of the leading FR companies in the world. Pretty much all FR systems trying to operate at real time use a tiered approach to facial recognition. First detect for generic faces in an image, which collects various things that are not human faces but do collect every human face in an image. That's tier 1 image / video frame analysis, and the list of potential faces is passed on for further processing. This tier 1 analysis is the weakest part, if you can make your face fail the generic face test, it is as if you are invisible to the FR system. The easiest way to fail that generic face test is to not show your face, or to show a face that is "not human" such as has too many eyes, two noses, or a mouth above your eyes in place of any eyebrows. Sure, you'll stand out like a freak to other humans, but to the FR system you'll be invisible.

moffkalast 2y ago

Juggalo makeup is supposedly extremely effective. Just make sure you don't how how magnets work for plausible deniability.

thefaux 2y ago
I don't even have to pretend!
marc_abonce 2y ago
> Juggalo makeup is supposedly extremely effective. Yeah, it's supposed to be better than black metal makeup and even better than that early-2010's anti-detection makeup: https://consequence.net/2019/07/juggalo-makeup-facial-recognition/ https://consequence.net/2019/07/juggalo-makeup-facial-recogn... https://adam.harvey.studio/cvdazzle https://adam.harvey.studio/cvdazzle Although that was around 2018-2019 so, given how quickly face recognition is evolving, I wonder if juggalo makeup works anymore. Besides, as mentioned by many of the interviewees in OP's article, there's a balance between changing or hiding your facial features and looking "suspicious" or "unnatural" which is of course context dependent. Concerts are safer to "cheat" than airports.

dathinab 2y ago

Wrt. cameras with depth sensors like face unlock this isn't supper likely to work. Wrt. public cameras which don't have such features and are much further away and aren't supper high resolution either it maybe could even somewhat work.