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Even if that's a lie?

sumeno 2y ago
What do you call a program that collects money for creators and keeps it, secretly modifiers referral links, and injects it's own ads into websites? Any program that did one of these things would rightly be called malware and Brave has done all three.
- WithinReason 2y ago
  None of that happened. Look into it if you don't believe me.
  - Krutonium 2y ago
    All three have happened. Look into it if you don't believe me.
    - WithinReason 2y ago
      I did and all 3 were lies.
      - AlexeyBelov 2y ago
        Can you elaborate?
        WithinReason 2y ago
        1. Brave doesn't inject ads into websites and never did. 2. https://brave.com/blog/referral-codes-in-suggested-sites/ https://brave.com/blog/referral-codes-in-suggested-sites/ 3. https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=BrendanEich https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=BrendanEich Please look into it yourself, don't make others do the thinking for you.
        sumeno 2y ago
        "We investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong"
        BrendanEich 2y ago
        Everything we did was observable: 1. People couldn't buy BAT to send at the time (Dec. 2018) of the Tom Scott affair, all the tokens were virtual from our user growth pool, subject to our terms. No user funds. This does not excuse the right-to-publicity infringement that I addressed in another comment replying to you, at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42379166 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42379166, but that wasn't your false claim here, so stick to your "collects money" canard, please. 2. Again with "secretly modifies referral links" canard. No, not "links", exactly two typed in domain names in the address bar, and no one can keep a secret with a URL attribute you can see in the same address bar, via devtools, and with network monitoring; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42354392 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42354392. Think through your own argument more, please — no ready-fire-aim. 3. Injecting ads would be noticed by users, but you won't find anyone who ever saw us "replace" or "inject ads into websites". We tested the tech with placeholders on Slashdot in early 2016, but the placeholders were not ads and the test ended. Lack of evidence is enough here under normal rules of reality and discourse, or else this is an "are the ad injectors in the room with us now?" joke. We'd have been roasted and likely sued if we had done any such "replace" or "inject" thing without publisher opt-in. Again, I urge you to think through your criticisms before replying carelessly. EDIT: I'd forgotten about the NAA's "cease and desist" letter sent in April 2016, which was not actually a C&D even though its PDF filename called it that, because we never did anything to cease or desist from. See https://www.techspot.com/news/64391-publishers-call-brave-ad-blocking-browser-blatantly-illegal.html https://www.techspot.com/news/64391-publishers-call-brave-ad... https://brave.com/blog/braves-response-to-the-naa-a-better-deal-for-publishers/ https://brave.com/blog/braves-response-to-the-naa-a-better-d... The NAA (now News Media Alliance) complaint to us, misnamed a Cease & Desist Letter, went away. Later in 2016, this same group tried complaining to the FTC about Brave and Opera, see https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=a802b19a-7ba0-4b6c-a2c4-f636eb6149a5 https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=a802b19a-7ba0.... That complaint also went nowhere.

What do you call a program that collects money for creators and keeps it, secretly modifiers referral links, and injects it's own ads into websites? Any program that did one of these things would rightly be called malware and Brave has done all three.

WithinReason 2y ago
None of that happened. Look into it if you don't believe me.
- Krutonium 2y ago
  All three have happened. Look into it if you don't believe me.
  - WithinReason 2y ago
    I did and all 3 were lies.
    - AlexeyBelov 2y ago
      Can you elaborate?
      - WithinReason 2y ago
        1. Brave doesn't inject ads into websites and never did. 2. https://brave.com/blog/referral-codes-in-suggested-sites/ https://brave.com/blog/referral-codes-in-suggested-sites/ 3. https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=BrendanEich https://news.ycombinator.com/threads?id=BrendanEich Please look into it yourself, don't make others do the thinking for you.
        sumeno 2y ago
        "We investigated ourselves and found we did nothing wrong"
        BrendanEich 2y ago
        Everything we did was observable: 1. People couldn't buy BAT to send at the time (Dec. 2018) of the Tom Scott affair, all the tokens were virtual from our user growth pool, subject to our terms. No user funds. This does not excuse the right-to-publicity infringement that I addressed in another comment replying to you, at https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42379166 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42379166, but that wasn't your false claim here, so stick to your "collects money" canard, please. 2. Again with "secretly modifies referral links" canard. No, not "links", exactly two typed in domain names in the address bar, and no one can keep a secret with a URL attribute you can see in the same address bar, via devtools, and with network monitoring; https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42354392 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42354392. Think through your own argument more, please — no ready-fire-aim. 3. Injecting ads would be noticed by users, but you won't find anyone who ever saw us "replace" or "inject ads into websites". We tested the tech with placeholders on Slashdot in early 2016, but the placeholders were not ads and the test ended. Lack of evidence is enough here under normal rules of reality and discourse, or else this is an "are the ad injectors in the room with us now?" joke. We'd have been roasted and likely sued if we had done any such "replace" or "inject" thing without publisher opt-in. Again, I urge you to think through your criticisms before replying carelessly. EDIT: I'd forgotten about the NAA's "cease and desist" letter sent in April 2016, which was not actually a C&D even though its PDF filename called it that, because we never did anything to cease or desist from. See https://www.techspot.com/news/64391-publishers-call-brave-ad-blocking-browser-blatantly-illegal.html https://www.techspot.com/news/64391-publishers-call-brave-ad... https://brave.com/blog/braves-response-to-the-naa-a-better-deal-for-publishers/ https://brave.com/blog/braves-response-to-the-naa-a-better-d... The NAA (now News Media Alliance) complaint to us, misnamed a Cease & Desist Letter, went away. Later in 2016, this same group tried complaining to the FTC about Brave and Opera, see https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=a802b19a-7ba0-4b6c-a2c4-f636eb6149a5 https://www.lexology.com/library/detail.aspx?g=a802b19a-7ba0.... That complaint also went nowhere.