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> They may also recognize that eating humans comes with unknown risks because they are pretty observant of what humans are capable of. Idk about that. We have

> They may also recognize that eating humans comes with unknown risks because they are pretty observant of what humans are capable of. Idk about that. We have some skills but orcas see basically none of them. From their perspective we are slow and bad swimmers who need to breath all the time. Would an orca even understand that we made and control boats/ship as opposed to that humans live on boats/ships the same way fleas live on a dog? Mind you, i’m not saying orcas are stupid. What I’m saying is that the slices of our life they can observe are not impressive, and the impressive things we do are not readily observable to them.

hyperthesis 2y ago
Consider whaling, by killer apes.
- moffkalast 2y ago
  Whales probably don't know what apes are, I mean how many live near an ocean? But we are mammals like them and they'd probably realize the similarity given that we need air. Maybe they'd consider us some kind of killer land whale?
  - marcosdumay 2y ago
    They know what humans are, and certainly have some way of calling us. I'd imagine they don't consider us any similar to them. But they know those indestructible whale-like surface gliders are shocking full of us, and that we can kill a whale with way more easiness than them.
gus_massa 2y ago
The probably understand we drive the small boats, and that small boats arejust weird wood logs. I expect them to generalize from there to transatrantics.
- kijin 2y ago
  Floating objects can carry seals, and orcas can dislodge seals from floating objects by sending large waves in the right direction. They are definitely very interested in the relationship between floating objects and their passengers. Using some kind of paddle as a method of propulsion should also be a familiar concept to any animal that has flippers.
timschmidt 2y ago
Consider that the whale has something like an ultrasound scanner integrated into it's sensory system. I wouldn't be surprised if the whale knows more about how the boats are built than the humans driving them.
aithrowawaycomm 2y ago
My understanding from anecdotes[1] is that it's common for dolphins to play with small boats by intentionally getting the humans' attention (e.g. splashing water on them), and a lot of sailors think they understand that humans control the motion of the boat. Though it is sketchy anecdotes. However, they are almost certainly smart enough to understand how rowboats work and that humans control them. Orcas have been considering human boats for tens of thousands of years and they have human-like cultural transmission of knowledge; perhaps they could quickly adapt what they knew about rowboats to sailboats when those were invented, then motorboats. [1] E.g. https://www.quora.com/Do-whales-know-that-big-ships-are-controlled-by-contain-humans https://www.quora.com/Do-whales-know-that-big-ships-are-cont...
nkrisc 2y ago
> Would an orca even understand that we made and control boats/ship as opposed to that humans live on boats/ships the same way fleas live on a dog? The first time they even encounter a boat? Probably not. But I believe they're probably smart enough to make the connection after repeated encounters with boats and humans (which I'm sure they'd notice are nearly always correlated).

hyperthesis 2y ago

Consider whaling, by killer apes.

moffkalast 2y ago
Whales probably don't know what apes are, I mean how many live near an ocean? But we are mammals like them and they'd probably realize the similarity given that we need air. Maybe they'd consider us some kind of killer land whale?
- marcosdumay 2y ago
  They know what humans are, and certainly have some way of calling us. I'd imagine they don't consider us any similar to them. But they know those indestructible whale-like surface gliders are shocking full of us, and that we can kill a whale with way more easiness than them.

gus_massa 2y ago

The probably understand we drive the small boats, and that small boats arejust weird wood logs. I expect them to generalize from there to transatrantics.

kijin 2y ago
Floating objects can carry seals, and orcas can dislodge seals from floating objects by sending large waves in the right direction. They are definitely very interested in the relationship between floating objects and their passengers. Using some kind of paddle as a method of propulsion should also be a familiar concept to any animal that has flippers.

timschmidt 2y ago

Consider that the whale has something like an ultrasound scanner integrated into it's sensory system. I wouldn't be surprised if the whale knows more about how the boats are built than the humans driving them.

aithrowawaycomm 2y ago

My understanding from anecdotes[1] is that it's common for dolphins to play with small boats by intentionally getting the humans' attention (e.g. splashing water on them), and a lot of sailors think they understand that humans control the motion of the boat. Though it is sketchy anecdotes. However, they are almost certainly smart enough to understand how rowboats work and that humans control them. Orcas have been considering human boats for tens of thousands of years and they have human-like cultural transmission of knowledge; perhaps they could quickly adapt what they knew about rowboats to sailboats when those were invented, then motorboats. [1] E.g. https://www.quora.com/Do-whales-know-that-big-ships-are-controlled-by-contain-humans https://www.quora.com/Do-whales-know-that-big-ships-are-cont...

nkrisc 2y ago

> Would an orca even understand that we made and control boats/ship as opposed to that humans live on boats/ships the same way fleas live on a dog? The first time they even encounter a boat? Probably not. But I believe they're probably smart enough to make the connection after repeated encounters with boats and humans (which I'm sure they'd notice are nearly always correlated).