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What I really would like to understand is what Musk was doing there? No relation with France or Notre Dame, supposed to be kind of an agnostic and not a "ferven

What I really would like to understand is what Musk was doing there? No relation with France or Notre Dame, supposed to be kind of an agnostic and not a "fervent catholic". And why he took the spot of anyone else that could be a fervent catholic just by being rich...

netsharc 2y ago
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paxys 2y ago
He spent $250M to elect Trump so now gets to be in the inner circle and travel with him, simple as that.
- breadwinner 2y ago
  It's more than just traveling with him... he or his representatives are interviewing and hiring key government officials. (See link below.) Basically Musk is running the US government like it is another Musk company. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/06/us/politics/trump-elon-musk-silicon-valley.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/06/us/politics/trump-elon-mu...
  - Sabinus 2y ago
    But remember, the same conspiracists who love Trump will decry politically active billionaires like George Soros for decades but if it's a Right Wing Billionaire actually paying for positions that is cool and normal.
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    - ladyinthelake 2y ago
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Dalewyn 2y ago
>No relation with France or Notre Dame, supposed to be kind of an agnostic and not a "fervent catholic". True liberalism is a church opening its doors to anyone desiring to come in, and someone able to appreciate and pray as he desires. Freedom of religion. Musk might not be a "fervent Catholic", but is that really even relevant in celebrating the restoration of one of the greatest cathedrals? Identity politics like this truly waste all of our times and turn what are simple moments of happiness into artificial problems.
- paxys 2y ago
  > a church opening its doors to anyone desiring to come in My invite got lost in the mail, I guess. Or maybe the criteria wasn't just "anyone desiring to come in".
  - Dalewyn 2y ago
    You and I both know this was a party for the powerful and the rich, if it wasn't Trump and Musk it was going to be Harris and Lady Gaga or something. The point I'm trying to make is that nothing is stopping you or anyone from visiting Notre Dame to celebrate its return and perhaps even pray there if you so desire, regardless if you're a "fervent Catholic". In fact, consider that Prince William is also present. He's a member of the British royal family and heir-apparent to the British throne. The British monarch is also the head of the Church of England, which is a friendly rival to the Catholic Church. It is pointless to argue for identity politics, only assholes wanting to cause strife do that. Let us not waste our time and happiness on them and that.
    - paxys 2y ago
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    - anon291 2y ago
      Keep in mind the church doesn't own the building. It's owned by France and France gets to invite whom they want. The church just uses the building by arrangement. I only say this because you're not really supposed to be selling seats to a Mass. St Peters for example all masses are public. There are tickets but these are free if it's expected to be large.
anon291 2y ago
Because Europe wants space access?
tjpnz 2y ago
Did strike me as a bit odd. Musk won't be president until January 20.
UberFly 2y ago
Maybe he was invited.
inglor_cz 2y ago
I am an unbeliever and I visited a lot of catedrals, basilicas, mosques and synagogues in my life. You can admire the art and the dedication of the builders without being religious. France itself is a secular state with a division of the State and the Church, and yet President Macron is there, because Notre Dame is a national treasure, not just a religious one. Also, don't kid yourself about the history of the Church and money. While always verbally pro-poor, in practice, it also always sought connections among the rich. Obscene riches of the high clergy were one of the triggers for the Reformation. Plus ca change...
- abrenuntio 2y ago
  When a woman honored the Lord with expensive perfume, it was Judas who complained about this. "Why wasn't this money given to the poor?" Many flawed people belong to the Church. But the art of the Church does not belong to any individual. It exists to honor and glorify the Triune God from within material creation.
  - wqaatwt 2y ago
    If only we knew which church is the correct one..
    - abrenuntio 2y ago
      Napoleon: "don't you know that I can destroy the Church?" Bishop: "my colleagues have been trying for 1800 years and haven't succeeded."
- TomK32 2y ago
  Just my opinion, but the overlap of those admiring the artistry of gothic cathedrals and those actually building a car like the Cybertruck is zero.
  - inglor_cz 2y ago
    Frankly, SpaceX rockets, ships and spacesuits are visually cool as hell.
zelphirkalt 2y ago
The attention w seeks attention. I guess no big surprise there. They should have banned him off the ground of course, as he is as un-christian as it gets. Maybe they hoped some holy water and crosses could drive out the evil spirits or something.
wqaatwt 2y ago
Trump's +1? Since his wife probably didn't want to come
julienfr112 2y ago
So that he can build one when he goes to mars ?
Xmd5a 2y ago
Kourou ?
- scientist4397 2y ago
  Space X don’t care about it as far as I know, they already what they need in US
ladyinthelake 2y ago
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scientist4397 2y ago
As French, I didn’t get it either maybe due to the presence of Trump and Macron seems to like him after that…

netsharc 2y ago

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paxys 2y ago

He spent $250M to elect Trump so now gets to be in the inner circle and travel with him, simple as that.

breadwinner 2y ago
It's more than just traveling with him... he or his representatives are interviewing and hiring key government officials. (See link below.) Basically Musk is running the US government like it is another Musk company. https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/06/us/politics/trump-elon-musk-silicon-valley.html https://www.nytimes.com/2024/12/06/us/politics/trump-elon-mu...
- Sabinus 2y ago
  But remember, the same conspiracists who love Trump will decry politically active billionaires like George Soros for decades but if it's a Right Wing Billionaire actually paying for positions that is cool and normal.
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  - ladyinthelake 2y ago
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Dalewyn 2y ago

>No relation with France or Notre Dame, supposed to be kind of an agnostic and not a "fervent catholic". True liberalism is a church opening its doors to anyone desiring to come in, and someone able to appreciate and pray as he desires. Freedom of religion. Musk might not be a "fervent Catholic", but is that really even relevant in celebrating the restoration of one of the greatest cathedrals? Identity politics like this truly waste all of our times and turn what are simple moments of happiness into artificial problems.

paxys 2y ago
> a church opening its doors to anyone desiring to come in My invite got lost in the mail, I guess. Or maybe the criteria wasn't just "anyone desiring to come in".
- Dalewyn 2y ago
  You and I both know this was a party for the powerful and the rich, if it wasn't Trump and Musk it was going to be Harris and Lady Gaga or something. The point I'm trying to make is that nothing is stopping you or anyone from visiting Notre Dame to celebrate its return and perhaps even pray there if you so desire, regardless if you're a "fervent Catholic". In fact, consider that Prince William is also present. He's a member of the British royal family and heir-apparent to the British throne. The British monarch is also the head of the Church of England, which is a friendly rival to the Catholic Church. It is pointless to argue for identity politics, only assholes wanting to cause strife do that. Let us not waste our time and happiness on them and that.
  - paxys 2y ago
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  - anon291 2y ago
    Keep in mind the church doesn't own the building. It's owned by France and France gets to invite whom they want. The church just uses the building by arrangement. I only say this because you're not really supposed to be selling seats to a Mass. St Peters for example all masses are public. There are tickets but these are free if it's expected to be large.

anon291 2y ago

Because Europe wants space access?

tjpnz 2y ago

Did strike me as a bit odd. Musk won't be president until January 20.

UberFly 2y ago

Maybe he was invited.

inglor_cz 2y ago

I am an unbeliever and I visited a lot of catedrals, basilicas, mosques and synagogues in my life. You can admire the art and the dedication of the builders without being religious. France itself is a secular state with a division of the State and the Church, and yet President Macron is there, because Notre Dame is a national treasure, not just a religious one. Also, don't kid yourself about the history of the Church and money. While always verbally pro-poor, in practice, it also always sought connections among the rich. Obscene riches of the high clergy were one of the triggers for the Reformation. Plus ca change...

abrenuntio 2y ago
When a woman honored the Lord with expensive perfume, it was Judas who complained about this. "Why wasn't this money given to the poor?" Many flawed people belong to the Church. But the art of the Church does not belong to any individual. It exists to honor and glorify the Triune God from within material creation.
- wqaatwt 2y ago
  If only we knew which church is the correct one..
  - abrenuntio 2y ago
    Napoleon: "don't you know that I can destroy the Church?" Bishop: "my colleagues have been trying for 1800 years and haven't succeeded."
TomK32 2y ago
Just my opinion, but the overlap of those admiring the artistry of gothic cathedrals and those actually building a car like the Cybertruck is zero.
- inglor_cz 2y ago
  Frankly, SpaceX rockets, ships and spacesuits are visually cool as hell.

zelphirkalt 2y ago

The attention w seeks attention. I guess no big surprise there. They should have banned him off the ground of course, as he is as un-christian as it gets. Maybe they hoped some holy water and crosses could drive out the evil spirits or something.

wqaatwt 2y ago

Trump's +1? Since his wife probably didn't want to come

julienfr112 2y ago

So that he can build one when he goes to mars ?

Xmd5a 2y ago

Kourou ?

scientist4397 2y ago
Space X don’t care about it as far as I know, they already what they need in US

ladyinthelake 2y ago

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scientist4397 2y ago

As French, I didn’t get it either maybe due to the presence of Trump and Macron seems to like him after that…