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Nightclub stickers over smartphone rule divides the dancefloor
- gaiagraphia 2y ago"Divides" is a stretch here. The BBC must report both points of view, so by default, anything they right must 'divide people'. The 'division' in this article comes from: >Some posted on Instagram concerns that clubs could suffer as social media videos of their night act as free adverts Doesn't really paint the picture of this nightclub having its fanbase split in half arguing about whether it's good or bad....
- MortyWaves 2y agoI hate that this is the case. It’s been incredibly frustrating over the years seeing perfectly normal and universally accepted things be reported about, but they have to find the absolute dregs of society with whacky and extremely stupid ideas simply so they can say they “are impartial”. It’s been everything from Brexit to Covid and everything in between.
- immibis 2y agoIs it because they have to, or they choose to? There are a great many right wing outlets that call themselves impartial.
- lmm 2y agoThe BBC being publicly funded has a genuine obligation to be neutral, which sometimes turns into "both sides" weirdness.
- Symbiote 2y agoI think it's a more recent phenomenon that they go to lengths to find someone to report "both sides". 20 years ago, they didn't need to interview extremists — staying neutral meant reporting on the centre viewpoint.
- immibis 2y agoHaving an obligation to be neutral isn't the same as being neutral - people and especially institutions break their obligations all the time, often without penalty.
- maeil 2y agoIt's still a choice. They don't do it when there's an article on the dangers of the rise of Neo-Nazism, or on the horrors of IS. "Now we interview Paul (32), who doesn't think it's dangerous at all, in fact he thinks it's pretty great!". Or on new cancer medicine; "Now we go to Mary (55) who isn't a fan of the new medicine, advocating that cancer patients cure it with yoga instead.". "Neutral" also doesn't have to mean "both sides".
- PittleyDunkin 2y agoNeutral is kind of a silly concept. Any attempt to even describe the sides, or even to enumerate them, will reveal inherent bias. You see this all over newspapers in the US who try to remain unbiased (between the two political parties), which results in an incredibly nasty feedback loop where parties and the media dictate policy to each other while ignoring every other viewpoint in existence. Give me reporting with clear polemic any day, please. At least I can adjust for that and consume contrary polemics.
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- maeil 2y agoPotential rise in racist incidents must overrule accurate reporting on and research into what may have spawned a global pandemic directly killing 6+ million people (more than the Vietnam war and Korean war combined) and indirectly killing many more.
- Der_Einzige 2y agoThe glowies believe it was a lab leak and that’s good enough for me.
- tjalfi 2y agoThat reminds me of a great Dara Ó Briain routine[0] about pseudoscience. [0] https://youtu.be/YKZN-hBTBUE https://youtu.be/YKZN-hBTBUE
- seb1204 2y agoMost headlines nowadays turn me off. Why not say it's a good thing and as always there are few that don't like it?
- derN3rd 2y agoSome clubs in Berlin (Germany) already do this for quite some time and the people there are all fine with it. The vibe is just different, because the people focus more on each other or themself instead of generating content for some online profiles.
- wkat4242 2y agoAlso, Berlin has many clubs where clubbing culture and kinky/fetish/sexpositive cultures come together. Like KitKat or Berghain. In those clubs it's more necessary to prevent photos obviously, and that habit makes it more acceptable in regular clubs.
- sethhochberg 2y agoVarious clubs and parties in the NYC scene, too, going back well over a decade. I'm genuinely surprised to read there is some (perhaps exaggerated) controversy over this in the news. The places that have strict no photo / no video policies like this pretty explicitly _don't want_ a patron who became interested in attending primarily because they saw a video of the dance floor on Instagram, they cater to scenes and communities where word of mouth and reputation are more than enough to fill the room.
- mason55 2y agoI don't recall getting stickers at any clubs NYC, although it's been a few years since I lived there. It was always on the honor system at places like Output and events like Black Market.
- evanelias 2y agoMaybe it varied depending on the night, but I remember Output being stricter about it the first few years they were open – staff would regularly confront people who took photos. But that seemed to fall off entirely over their final couple years.
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- nailer 2y agoThis is a very common practice in kink and fetish clubs as well as anywhere where well-known people go.
- jdblair 2y agoThe first time entrance security put a sticker over my smartphone camera? That would be entering Samsung Digital City in Suwon, Korea. The second time was going to a club in Amsterdam (Shelter) in 2019.
- jdalgetty 2y agoI'd like to see something like this in schools too - but instead the sticker goes over the screen!
- Etheryte 2y agoThese days, most clubs which are at the forefront of what's cool and interesting are doing this. If I go to a new place and I see stickers, I'm already pretty happy, because it's probably gonna be a nice time. They've taken the time and effort to think about the experience and all the little details that matter. Generic club hit places don't bother with stuff like this and it's a good proxy to separate the two.
- gardenhedge 2y agoHow does it work? Can people just not take the sticker off?
- wkat4242 2y agoIt's possible yes. You can also take the phone out of the case. I do this sometimes when i need to scan a QR or something. It doesn't stop people from doing it deliberately but it prevents the discussion between people holding up a phone and someone else thinking they're being filmed. If someone does that without the sticker it is immediately cause for calling security.
- dotspec 2y agoFrom the article. > People violating the rule will be "politely asked to stop", says Abbott. "If you are seen doing it again, you will be asked to leave the venue." I'm past my clubbing days but can attest to seeing this in practice at a couple venues. Someone started filming one of their friends and both got promptly escorted to the door.
- b112 2y agoReminds me of https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L3eeC2lJZs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1L3eeC2lJZs
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- Terr_ 2y agoI think the idea is that then other people can easily see the absence of a sticker, and then confidently intervene, a "safe" social objection, enforcing an unambiguous rule. There's no weird guessing whether someone is really recording at the moment, no lengthy observation or excuses or negotiated results, it's a clear requirement with an immediate action. P.S.: Come to think of it, masking requirements are similar: It doesn't matter if you "feel fine" or "it's just the sniffles" or "hayfever", you visibly wear a respiratory mask in this place, period. Too many people have abused that trust before and it's difficult/impossible to determine personalized exceptions.
- cstrat 2y agoWouldn't people just take the stickers off? Is this to just enforce intent around photos in the club??
- ENGNR 2y agoI'm guessing security would see you filming and come for a chat. Probably other patrons too, if that's the culture of the venue.
- BobAliceInATree 2y agoI frequent a night-club that doesn't allow photography, but doesn't put stickers. People (esp. non-regulars) will occasionally take a photo because they forgot and it's such a normal thing they do in their lives. Removing a sticker requires significant more intentionality.
- threeseed 2y agoIt was in the article. You get one warning and then you will be thrown out.
- Modified3019 2y agoIt’s more of a physical/psychological reminder, not an actually secure and invasive attempt to prevent access. Taking it off gets you asked to leave when you’re seen holding up a phone.
- somishere 2y agoI dropped into Fabric on a stopover in London in July (first time back on that floor in probably 15 years). I was surprised when they asked for my phone, but yeah it 100% made a difference. Would have spotted maybe 2-3 tourists taking photos at some point, but that was it. Great vibe. Mix of young and old. Compare that to a recent bookashade gig in Sydney, which was smaller but was basically a film club event. 100 squares of light on record at any point (all with the same camera UI!) .. older crowd who probably should have known better, at least according to the article.
- cedws 2y agoI've been to Fabric many times and have seen the opposite - people rip off the stickers as soon as they get indoors and then spend the whole night posting on Instagram and Snapchat. Stickers suck (not to mention the litter). The only way to have people not taking photos is to strictly enforce it and only let in the right crowd. There's places that pull this off, but they aren't as popular because TikTok ravers don't go there.
- Aeglaecia 2y agoone of the most baudrillard moments of my life was seeing quite literally over 3/4 the audience at a sydney dance event filming , leaving only myself and a handful of others to dance at the back
- huwsername 2y agoIf this was a Fred Again.. show, every gig of his I’ve been to (bar Coachella) would’ve been a sociologist’s wet dream. Embarrassing for all involved.
- andrewflnr 2y agoI'd mostly be worried that the sticky part is going to get on my lens. Do they use stickers with a non-sticky part in the middle? Do people make those?
- 1832 2y agoFrom what I've seen they are just regular circle shaped stickers. If you're using a case usually you wouldnt get sticker glue on your lens but if you do you can rub it off with the inside of your tshirt sleeve.
- maronato 2y agoThe ones I’ve seen use low-tack adhesives (acrylic-based, doesn’t leave residue)
- aleph_minus_one 2y ago> I'd mostly be worried that the sticky part is going to get on my lens. Then leave your mobile phone at home.
- marcosdumay 2y agoI'd bet a lot of people can't ever physically get to the place without a mobile phone. Many wouldn't be able to pay for anything.
- Symbiote 2y agoThe ones I've had stuck on my phone have been special stickers for the purpose. The glue is like a stronger post-it note. There's been no residue at all.
- underyx 2y agoAre there any places in SF with this rule?
- pesus 2y agoWould love to know myself as well, but I haven't seen any. I'd imagine there's at least some demand in the Bay Area for events like this? We get a good amount of electronic/dance shows already, and the underground scene still exists at least a bit. I've pondered throwing some events or even opening a venue like this, but don't currently have the right connections/resources.
- Amorymeltzer 2y agoAnecdotal story from the US: a boomer I know went to a play at a theatre, and since they don't allow photography, they put these stickers... on the phone case, not the camera. So now he has two stickers on the back of the phone case that don't come off easily.
- technonerd 2y agoI attend a few parties that preach/practice this. Along with it being everyones responsibility to enforce a no cellphones policy on the dance floor. It provides for a much better experience on the dance floor. Just be yourself ;) Live in the NOW. I think some guy named Danny Tenaglia mentioned that once. The curators of these events have also built wall of sounds around the world(life changing BTW) and care about the music. Education about a proper CLUB/PARTY night goes a long ways.
- voidr 2y agoI don't like the idea of having to clean the glue off my phone because the club is more concerned about people making fools out of themselves in public more than being concerned about my private property, it is sending the wrong message.
- cbzbc 2y agoIt's sending the message that people's privacy and space for free expression is more important than your social signalling.
- voidr 2y agoMaybe I'm old fashioned but a nightclub with hopefully security cameras would be the last place I would go for privacy and "free expression". When I go to theaters they usually just tell me to turn off my phone or don't take pictures. It has the same weight because people who wouldn't listen would just take the sticker off easily. If you would have paid attention to my comment you would know that my issue is not social signalling, my issue is getting glue on my phone for a childish reason.
- bayindirh 2y agoI have a personal rule of not taking videos or photos at any concerts or similar events for 4-5 years now. I remember all the events more vividly, have a couple of interesting mental notes from all of them, and all of them are great material for conversations. Also, it has the benefit of not watching the whole thing from a small screen which is fed from a tiny sensor, trying to keep image stabilized and convert the whole event to a challenge to capture low quality video (or set of photos) which I don't revisit.
- braiamp 2y agoThat's because you don't give your brain a excuse to be lazy. If the brain knows that it can offload the information somewhere else, it will do so. Instead of you recalling from memory the image, you recall from memory where the image is https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S2211368120301017 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/abs/pii/S22113...
- bayindirh 2y agoThis is certainly one of the reasons which I figured out (esp. during my personal productivity experiments), but on the other hand, not concentrating on "recording device" allows concentrating to the event more, leading to listening and seeing more what's happening on the stage. Thanks for the paper, BTW.
- teeray 2y agoI understand that there’s issues of piracy (from the producer’s perspective), but I really wish every concert just had a concert DVD or something I could buy. That solves the FOMO of recording some unique performance.
- bayindirh 2y agoWhile I don't have the FOMO, I concur. The last two concerts I went to were very unique. One had a great conductor, and the other one was a unique take on MJ's music overall. I'll be very happy if there were high quality recordings to purchase, because I'd love to listen them over and over.
- 01HNNWZ0MV43FF 2y agoAlways shocked how many commenters here go to nightclubs, considering the programmer population
- Mountain_Skies 2y agoIt sounds like many of the posters go to clubs that cater to various subcultures. If there's one thing that a sizable segment of programmers love, it's subcultures. Beyond that, even though programmers are overrepresented here compared to the general population, a lot of posters are not software developers by career but are somewhere in the orbit of the tech world.
- immibis 2y agoSurely nobody has ever noted a relationship between autism and certain sensory experiences or movements. also fun fact: jwz owns one
- bluGill 2y agoEven back in the days of film I hated cameras. I was busy having fun like any 6 year old should and suddenly I'm called to stand still and smile for a camera. Or I'm busy looking at some scenery and people are trying to get a picture - you can find professional photographers who took a better picture if you need one for the wall, but most of the time nobody will look at that again (or best case they look at it one time to "review memories" - except they didn't have a memory to review has they never took the time to see the big picture only what is in the viewfinder) I try to spend my time making memories, not taking photographs of others making memories.
- Gud 2y agoI used to have the same opinion, my wife is the complete opposite. Now I look back and wish I had more photos from the first 30 years of my life. Does posing for a few seconds really bother you that much? Taking a photo doesn't mean you can't see the "bigger picture". Frankly, that's a very, very weak argument. Additionally, I wish my parents had more photos of themselves so I could get to know them better, from days before I was even born.
- bluGill 2y agoEven then I want action shots not the lineup of people.
- epolanski 2y agoOT but this reminded me of what a terrible thing it is to go to concerts now. I don't see anything but phones in the air. I have attended some parties and concerts with stickers and they have insanely better vibes.
- zonotope 2y agoI did a lot of partying around NYC (pre baby) where this rule is rare. There are usually close to 50% of the crowd taking selfies, putting the phone in the air to "record" the DJ, or generally scrolling through instagram instead of dancing. I thought this was the norm, but then I spent a summer in Berlin. There, people actually dance, and are there to appreciate the music. The vibe is so much more fun because everyone there is contributing to the energy by actually having a good time, instead of being preoccupied with showing people who are not with them that they are having a good time. I think nightlife in Berlin is so much better than NYC because of a combination of the cell phone rule along with the stricter door policies, and I hope those come to NYC by the time my kid gets old enough for me to be able to go out again.
- bedobi 2y ago> everyone there is contributing to the energy by actually having a good time, instead of being preoccupied with showing people who are not with them that they are having a good time this screams "economists, behavioral economists, game theorists, sociologists and anthropologists" would love to study this" people from all the above disciplines, where are you? this is your phd thesis
- fullspectrumdev 2y agoThe bouncers won’t let them in because they would harsh the vibe :)
- bozhark 2y agowho's up for silent investing
- Der_Einzige 2y agoI watched several groups of “tech nerds” get rejected from night clubs in the Bay Area after the huggingface open source meetup. It doesn’t matter how much money you give to them, society think they’re still ugly, four eyes, nerds who deserve to be shoved in lockers. Remember that the only reason high functioning autists weren’t murdered by the nazis was dr.Hans Asperger intervening to convince the German high command that they can build rockets. Look to how the internet uses “sperg” as a pejorative similar to intel. Forcing a neurotypical to listen to your “*tism” rant makes them literally want to murder you. Resentment against tech workers with money is off the charts in trump voting America. Ungrateful to say the least…
- secretsatan 2y agoPretty split on this, I have tended to take a short clip of the DJ and the music if I'm liking it, and I try to make it so I'm not taking a vid of anyone in the crowd and they are kept anon. But I can see I'm at the thin end of the wedge. OTH, one of the worse nights I went to to was in Geneva to see Lil Louis, and everyone on the dancefloor was just there taking selfies, it was utterly obnoxious.
- Symbiote 2y agoI'll post this at the top level since there's 5+ comments about it: The glue on these stickers is like a strong post-it note. The sticker stays on the lens fairly reliably, but leaves no residue at all when you take it off.
- wkat4242 2y agoIt depends. Some places use pretty strong stickers. I've taken to using a case with the sticker already pre-applied :)
- pfannkuchen 2y agoI see a lot of comments about being present and in the now, but how much does privacy play a role? Some activities like soft but technically illegal drugs or certain fun behaviors may be more self suppressed if cameras are around. Any photo taken at a club could end up being viewed by an interviewer in a few years, etc.
- tonetegeatinst 2y agoUnsure about this specific case, but I personally try to avoid posting many selfies or any identifiable content online. Always grew up being told colleges and employers look you up, and that all it takes is one poor perception to kill an opportunity. I know this isn't as true as it might have been conveyed, but I still worry about image and how so many employers seem to care what happens in peoples personal lives, when to me as long as I show up and am meeting the objectives and expectations then that's all they need to worry about. My employer isn't compensating me to live a specific lifestyle and invade my privacy, as long as I'm a good employee then it should not matter. I limit my presence online that is "official" ie selfies,blog posts or anything of the nature. I see this as a CYA because I want to be fired for how I perform at work and that alone, and because its helping keep my privacy above the average Joe. Also it makes me as a phishing target harder.
- immibis 2y agoEven if it were true, no legally established organization would ever say "we have this policy so our patrons can do illegal drugs"
- kittikitti 2y agoWe live in a small world, and the chances of being exposed in the background of a selfie are larger than we might assume.
- tonetegeatinst 2y agoNever been to any kind of party, but the last thing I want is people taking my photo and tagging me all online. I get the idea or want to grab a selfie with friends, but if I'm doing something like that I'd rather not put strangers in the photo. I try to respect peoples privacy when, on the very rare ocassion I decide to take a photo in public, and try to avoid people in a shot. If their was one thing great about covid, it normalized the rare few people who wear a mask in public for privacy. Wish their was a more effective way to stop all those creepy cameras from recording your face, as they are used to track you and your location and activity and makes it harder to stay offline. The traffic cameras got your plates, the CCTV is in many stores and outside, and unless you walk around covered in IR lights to blind cameras and wear a mask, you basically leave a digital footprint even if you leave all devices at home.
- andrewinardeer 2y agoI always thought the stickers over the camera thing was to protect the club's online presence. So that when a fight broke out, a belligerent patron was being ejected or when drugs were being consumed in the booths/bathrooms the establishment did not have to worry about footage landing on third party social, mapping or review platforms thereby sullying their name or brand. Patron's privacy and safety is just a cover story.