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Such a fascinating case. No one is morally required to help find a murderer, it’s a question of virtue. It’s a religious drive if you believe that a CEO should

Such a fascinating case. No one is morally required to help find a murderer, it’s a question of virtue. It’s a religious drive if you believe that a CEO should be the sacrificial lamb for the systems politicians have set up.

datadeft 2y ago
> if you believe that a CEO should be the sacrificial lamb for the systems politicians have set up. It is much better if the gen pop is the sacrificial lamb.
pseudolus 2y ago
In this particular instance I think it's less a question of virtue and more the issue of internet sleuths having an intimate understanding of the power of the internet and fearing the backlash that will be visited upon them if they participate in finding the murderer. It's a form of self-censorship.
morkalork 2y ago
Why exactly is the current system set up the way it is by politicians? I can think of at least one former politician who now sits on the board of a healthcare provider, it's a little dirty. Corporations lobby politicians all the time, maybe they should lobby for more regulation and consumer protection. You might say it's in everyone's best interest.
- mensetmanusman 2y ago
  Politicians could copy paste the eu regulatory/payment system or make it illegal for employers to provide healthcare. There are a couple of pivot points that could fix things now that we have the data.
piva00 2y ago
> It’s a religious drive if you believe that a CEO should be the sacrificial lamb for the systems politicians have set up. Are you implying the CEO is a victim of the system? If so he decided to further victimise dozens of thousands further, just like a murderer-robber is also a victim of the system, nonetheless their lack of morality made them perpetuate the system's violence.
- Muromec 2y ago
  He is just another drone responding to the market signals and the incentives are structured in a way to select for this kind of behavior. Yes, he can very well be morally corrupt, but it's not the point.
  - greenie_beans 2y ago
    just because you are "responding to the market signals and the incentives" doesn't make it right! in fact, it signals to me how the market and incentive structure dogma can be a harmful and destructive ideology to follow.
    - salawat 2y ago
      "I was just following orders/incentives" kinda went out of style at Nuremberg.
    - Muromec 2y ago
      I'm not saying he was right, I'm saying it's isn't the point.
  - piva00 2y ago
    Hence why I've been a heavy critic of ideologues spewing about capitalism without ever considering how we should imbue morality into an amoral system. Being morally corrupt is kinda the point, less educated people manage to maintain a sense of morality while living under this system, they aren't rewarded for it but still have character enough to not be corrupted. His choice of participating on a clearly immoral scheme is conscious, responding to the incentives comes from a failure of character.
- mensetmanusman 2y ago
  I think someone murdered by an assassin is tautologically a victim.
  - piva00 2y ago
vouaobrasil 2y ago
> It’s a religious drive if you believe that a CEO should be the sacrificial lamb for the systems politicians have set up. Now that's a strawman. No one believes the CEO should be a sacrificial lamb. But I think many do believe that his killing is justice and may even effect some change due to an intense investigation into American health care.
acdha 2y ago
> It’s a religious drive if you believe that a CEO should be the sacrificial lamb for the systems politicians have set up. The system wasn’t set up by accident but at the specific behest of the affected companies. When the prospect of Medicare for all was being discussed a decade and a half ago, look at where all of the money decrying it as socialism came from, and who was funding the politicians talking about things like “death panels”. That proposal was estimated to cut U.S. healthcare costs almost in half, which sounds great as a consumer but represents hundreds of billions annually which is not generating profits for the insurance industry and large providers. The exact same story played out in 1993 when President Clinton tried to pass healthcare reform, down to the year-long advertising campaign featuring actors pretending to be normal people concerned about bureaucracy which only made sense in a parallel universe where people weren’t having even worse experiences with private bureaucrats every day.

datadeft 2y ago

> if you believe that a CEO should be the sacrificial lamb for the systems politicians have set up. It is much better if the gen pop is the sacrificial lamb.

pseudolus 2y ago

In this particular instance I think it's less a question of virtue and more the issue of internet sleuths having an intimate understanding of the power of the internet and fearing the backlash that will be visited upon them if they participate in finding the murderer. It's a form of self-censorship.

morkalork 2y ago

Why exactly is the current system set up the way it is by politicians? I can think of at least one former politician who now sits on the board of a healthcare provider, it's a little dirty. Corporations lobby politicians all the time, maybe they should lobby for more regulation and consumer protection. You might say it's in everyone's best interest.

mensetmanusman 2y ago
Politicians could copy paste the eu regulatory/payment system or make it illegal for employers to provide healthcare. There are a couple of pivot points that could fix things now that we have the data.

piva00 2y ago

> It’s a religious drive if you believe that a CEO should be the sacrificial lamb for the systems politicians have set up. Are you implying the CEO is a victim of the system? If so he decided to further victimise dozens of thousands further, just like a murderer-robber is also a victim of the system, nonetheless their lack of morality made them perpetuate the system's violence.

Muromec 2y ago
He is just another drone responding to the market signals and the incentives are structured in a way to select for this kind of behavior. Yes, he can very well be morally corrupt, but it's not the point.
- greenie_beans 2y ago
  just because you are "responding to the market signals and the incentives" doesn't make it right! in fact, it signals to me how the market and incentive structure dogma can be a harmful and destructive ideology to follow.
  - salawat 2y ago
    "I was just following orders/incentives" kinda went out of style at Nuremberg.
  - Muromec 2y ago
    I'm not saying he was right, I'm saying it's isn't the point.
- piva00 2y ago
  Hence why I've been a heavy critic of ideologues spewing about capitalism without ever considering how we should imbue morality into an amoral system. Being morally corrupt is kinda the point, less educated people manage to maintain a sense of morality while living under this system, they aren't rewarded for it but still have character enough to not be corrupted. His choice of participating on a clearly immoral scheme is conscious, responding to the incentives comes from a failure of character.
mensetmanusman 2y ago
I think someone murdered by an assassin is tautologically a victim.
- piva00 2y ago

vouaobrasil 2y ago

> It’s a religious drive if you believe that a CEO should be the sacrificial lamb for the systems politicians have set up. Now that's a strawman. No one believes the CEO should be a sacrificial lamb. But I think many do believe that his killing is justice and may even effect some change due to an intense investigation into American health care.

acdha 2y ago

> It’s a religious drive if you believe that a CEO should be the sacrificial lamb for the systems politicians have set up. The system wasn’t set up by accident but at the specific behest of the affected companies. When the prospect of Medicare for all was being discussed a decade and a half ago, look at where all of the money decrying it as socialism came from, and who was funding the politicians talking about things like “death panels”. That proposal was estimated to cut U.S. healthcare costs almost in half, which sounds great as a consumer but represents hundreds of billions annually which is not generating profits for the insurance industry and large providers. The exact same story played out in 1993 when President Clinton tried to pass healthcare reform, down to the year-long advertising campaign featuring actors pretending to be normal people concerned about bureaucracy which only made sense in a parallel universe where people weren’t having even worse experiences with private bureaucrats every day.