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Just in case this repo isn't a joke and some job seekers are seriously thinking of this tactic... Companies already know about cheat methods like this and cand

by jasode 2y ago

Just in case this repo isn't a joke and some job seekers are seriously thinking of this tactic... Companies already know about cheat methods like this and candidates still have to demonstrate skills in-person on a whiteboard in a 2nd round of tech interviews. A high-paying FAANG job isn't going to hire candidates based on just one remote Zoom tech interview. That still may not deter some folks and they'll try to continue to find some cheating technique to use in front of the whiteboard. In that case, some creativity is going to be required. E.g. : https://www.google.com/search?q=chess+cheating+anal+beads https://www.google.com/search?q=chess+cheating+anal+beads The issue is that "chess board moves" is very low bandwidth and can be efficiently encoded into pseudo-quasi- Morse Code vibration schemes. However, if you're asked to "invert a binary tree" or any other open-ended random puzzles, it's more difficult to compress a secret 2-way high-bandwidth communication with ChatGPT into a hidden butt plug. (But then again, if a candidate is actually able to fool people with hidden ChatGPT hacks in a face-to-face interview, maybe FAANG should hire them based on that alone.) Keep on the lookout for a github repo with ChatGPT butt-plug communication.

throwaway71271 2y ago
looking at the despair at https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions i am completely certain people are not above cheating even if its not an app, everything is so cheap and small now, 1mm camera and microphone, and very tiny ear piece (invisible with longer hair), or even earless headphones, realtime whisper turbo and groq llama3.3 can absolutely pass most interviews and answer most questions even without the tech, i am sure people are now cheating on face to face interviews as well i worked at fairly big company, and did maybe 500 interviews, i never knew how the candidate would look in advance, so i dont see why cant someone else shows up to the interview, pass it and then the real person shows up for the job
xandrius 2y ago
The problem today is not that to get into FAANG you've got to jump through hoops and loops like a well-trained cage animal (aka fresh graduate) but that this is getting applied more and more to literally any startup under the sun, even some with 0 funding. As a first engineer for a tiny startup, show me some past projects and let's grab a (virtual) coffee talking tech, that's all. Now it's like McDonald's requesting to perform Michelin level dishes under 45 minutes with Gordon Ramsey in the room while still ending up flipping burgers minimum wage at the end of it all. If this keeps going and getting worse, I wouldn't mind a butt-plug communication, as long as I can pick my favourite AI (I personally kind of prefer Claude right now over ChatGPT.)
- eastbound 2y ago
  > As a first engineer for a tiny startup, show me some How do you expect startups to make money if you think they aren’t even legitimate to see you program during an interview? Oh, right, you don’t care about your employer’s finances.
  - firstplacelast 2y ago
    They're probably just confident in their ability to mentor. A lot of jobs just aren't that hard. Many people struggle to accept this about their own line of work because they think it undermines their intelligence. Find smart people (or middling with a great work ethic) that are easy to work with. Iterate.
- dpb001 2y ago
  “Flipping burgers…”. This made me laugh because it is so true. My last involvement in interviewing candidates was for a position for an ETL developer. One of the other team members who was part of the interviewer schedule proudly announced that he had discovered a great source of tricky SQL puzzles that he intended to use. My comments were along the lines of “you do you, but I’m more interested in how someone would generally approach the 3 or 4 categories of tasks they will be routinely doing day-to-day”.
sangeeth96 2y ago
The in-person whiteboard interviews isn’t always a thing for all SDE rounds, but def there for SDE-2 and above I guess. Still, it’s just a matter of time before this is also solved.
thaumasiotes 2y ago
> A high-paying FAANG job isn't going to hire candidates based on just one remote Zoom tech interview. What do you think they do? One round of interviews was enough for my Google recruiter to congratulate me on getting a job there. Did I get the job? No. But the process didn't include any other interviews. There's only one round.
- jasode 2y ago
  >What do you think they do? One round of interviews was enough for my Google recruiter to congratulate me on getting a job there. Your Google interview process might be different because you've previously said you were ex-FAANG from 2000s so your work history and street credibility puts you in the "experienced senior hire" bucket. The interview process may be different for that type of candidate. My recent college grad friend's process went like this (2022 so post-COVID): - an offsite remote interview over Google Meet using Google Docs as coding canvas. 45-minutes long - 5 onsite interviews on same day: 4 technical and 1 behavioral
- lordnacho 2y ago
  Pardon me, but I don't understand. Was the recruiter mistaken about you getting the job?
  - thaumasiotes 2y ago
    Yes. Here's the full process I went through: 1. The recruiter sent me email suggesting I reapply to Google. She asked for my resume and put me on track to apply for an entry-level position. 2. I had a phone screen. (1 interview, over the phone, graded to a lower standard.) 3. The recruiter informed me I passed the phone screen and scheduled the round of interviews. (5 interviews, back to back over one day, over some kind of internet platform.) 4. I had the round of interviews. 5. The recruiter informed me that I had passed, excitedly wished me congratulations, told me to expect a job offer within six weeks, and told me that I'd be having some "team fit" interviews over the intervening period. 6. Weeks of radio silence. 7. When I inquired what was going on, she asked me if I could provide an altered resume explaining my employment gaps. 8. More weeks of silence. 9. She called me and informed me that although I had passed the interview process, my interview scores were not high enough to qualify for a job. As to the question of whether there might be more than one round of interviews, I complained about this treatment to several people who worked at Google, and I've been told by multiple of them that the recruiter was correct about the process and there are no further rounds.
turdprincess 2y ago
FAANG jobs absolutely hire engineers over zoom. It’s not just one interview, but the whole process is done remotely over video. It typically includes somewhere between 5 to 10 sessions covering coding, architecture and behavioral. Source - work at a FANG which engineers exclusively via remote video call.
- boredatoms 2y ago
  Is the option of in-person available to the candidate?, zoom interviews are exhausting
  - nick238 2y ago
    I haven't worked FAANG, but a Fortune 100 tech company who's been hiring a ton of ex-Amazon management. Interviews 100% remote, even though there's an office in Chicago. No option.
helsinki 2y ago
I received an offer from Apple in July after performing six remote interviews. Did this change since July?
shepherdjerred 2y ago
> A high-paying FAANG job isn't going to hire candidates based on just one remote Zoom tech interview. Have FAANGs gone back to real onsites? I've only see virtual onsites since the pandemic.

by jasode 2y ago

throwaway71271 2y ago

looking at the despair at https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions https://www.reddit.com/r/cscareerquestions i am completely certain people are not above cheating even if its not an app, everything is so cheap and small now, 1mm camera and microphone, and very tiny ear piece (invisible with longer hair), or even earless headphones, realtime whisper turbo and groq llama3.3 can absolutely pass most interviews and answer most questions even without the tech, i am sure people are now cheating on face to face interviews as well i worked at fairly big company, and did maybe 500 interviews, i never knew how the candidate would look in advance, so i dont see why cant someone else shows up to the interview, pass it and then the real person shows up for the job

xandrius 2y ago

The problem today is not that to get into FAANG you've got to jump through hoops and loops like a well-trained cage animal (aka fresh graduate) but that this is getting applied more and more to literally any startup under the sun, even some with 0 funding. As a first engineer for a tiny startup, show me some past projects and let's grab a (virtual) coffee talking tech, that's all. Now it's like McDonald's requesting to perform Michelin level dishes under 45 minutes with Gordon Ramsey in the room while still ending up flipping burgers minimum wage at the end of it all. If this keeps going and getting worse, I wouldn't mind a butt-plug communication, as long as I can pick my favourite AI (I personally kind of prefer Claude right now over ChatGPT.)

eastbound 2y ago
> As a first engineer for a tiny startup, show me some How do you expect startups to make money if you think they aren’t even legitimate to see you program during an interview? Oh, right, you don’t care about your employer’s finances.
- firstplacelast 2y ago
  They're probably just confident in their ability to mentor. A lot of jobs just aren't that hard. Many people struggle to accept this about their own line of work because they think it undermines their intelligence. Find smart people (or middling with a great work ethic) that are easy to work with. Iterate.
dpb001 2y ago
“Flipping burgers…”. This made me laugh because it is so true. My last involvement in interviewing candidates was for a position for an ETL developer. One of the other team members who was part of the interviewer schedule proudly announced that he had discovered a great source of tricky SQL puzzles that he intended to use. My comments were along the lines of “you do you, but I’m more interested in how someone would generally approach the 3 or 4 categories of tasks they will be routinely doing day-to-day”.

sangeeth96 2y ago

The in-person whiteboard interviews isn’t always a thing for all SDE rounds, but def there for SDE-2 and above I guess. Still, it’s just a matter of time before this is also solved.

thaumasiotes 2y ago

> A high-paying FAANG job isn't going to hire candidates based on just one remote Zoom tech interview. What do you think they do? One round of interviews was enough for my Google recruiter to congratulate me on getting a job there. Did I get the job? No. But the process didn't include any other interviews. There's only one round.

jasode 2y ago
>What do you think they do? One round of interviews was enough for my Google recruiter to congratulate me on getting a job there. Your Google interview process might be different because you've previously said you were ex-FAANG from 2000s so your work history and street credibility puts you in the "experienced senior hire" bucket. The interview process may be different for that type of candidate. My recent college grad friend's process went like this (2022 so post-COVID): - an offsite remote interview over Google Meet using Google Docs as coding canvas. 45-minutes long - 5 onsite interviews on same day: 4 technical and 1 behavioral
lordnacho 2y ago
Pardon me, but I don't understand. Was the recruiter mistaken about you getting the job?
- thaumasiotes 2y ago
  Yes. Here's the full process I went through: 1. The recruiter sent me email suggesting I reapply to Google. She asked for my resume and put me on track to apply for an entry-level position. 2. I had a phone screen. (1 interview, over the phone, graded to a lower standard.) 3. The recruiter informed me I passed the phone screen and scheduled the round of interviews. (5 interviews, back to back over one day, over some kind of internet platform.) 4. I had the round of interviews. 5. The recruiter informed me that I had passed, excitedly wished me congratulations, told me to expect a job offer within six weeks, and told me that I'd be having some "team fit" interviews over the intervening period. 6. Weeks of radio silence. 7. When I inquired what was going on, she asked me if I could provide an altered resume explaining my employment gaps. 8. More weeks of silence. 9. She called me and informed me that although I had passed the interview process, my interview scores were not high enough to qualify for a job. As to the question of whether there might be more than one round of interviews, I complained about this treatment to several people who worked at Google, and I've been told by multiple of them that the recruiter was correct about the process and there are no further rounds.

turdprincess 2y ago

FAANG jobs absolutely hire engineers over zoom. It’s not just one interview, but the whole process is done remotely over video. It typically includes somewhere between 5 to 10 sessions covering coding, architecture and behavioral. Source - work at a FANG which engineers exclusively via remote video call.

boredatoms 2y ago
Is the option of in-person available to the candidate?, zoom interviews are exhausting
- nick238 2y ago
  I haven't worked FAANG, but a Fortune 100 tech company who's been hiring a ton of ex-Amazon management. Interviews 100% remote, even though there's an office in Chicago. No option.

helsinki 2y ago

I received an offer from Apple in July after performing six remote interviews. Did this change since July?

shepherdjerred 2y ago

> A high-paying FAANG job isn't going to hire candidates based on just one remote Zoom tech interview. Have FAANGs gone back to real onsites? I've only see virtual onsites since the pandemic.