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It's unclear if he will be allowed to participate again, due to his sympathy for the Iron Guard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Guard https://en.wikipedia.o

by cbg0 2y ago

It's unclear if he will be allowed to participate again, due to his sympathy for the Iron Guard (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Guard https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Iron_Guard) which is outlawed, and some pending criminal cases for money laundering, as he reported 0 expenses in the election campaign, which is impossible.

autoexec 2y ago
Did tiktok convince 20% of the voters to vote for a racist, or did they trick 20% into unwittingly voting for a racist? Hopefully now that everyone is talking about him and his affection for religious fascism a lot of those voters will realize what they voted for and change their vote in the future.
- H8crilA 2y ago
  They voted for him because he speaks pretty well for a politician. Also some of his messages really land - consider that Ukraine is losing (very very slowly, and can still win), so it makes sense to talk to both sides since it's unclear who will be calling shots in the region. Moldova is definitely next, right after Ukraine, and it cannot defend itself even from one mechanized brigade.
  - AustinDev 2y ago
    >Ukraine is losing (very very slowly, and can still win), This is not remotely true, Ukraine can't retake what it's lost they have no men left. If it were true Zelensky wouldn't be contemplating ceding territory to Russia. It sucks but Ukraine lost in 2014 when the world let Crimea get annexed with no response. https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/zelensky-says-for-first-time-he-would-give-up-ukrainian-territory-to-russia-20241130-p5kurg.html https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/zelensky-says-for-first-...
    - the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
      Just depends on how you define “winning”. Right now both Russia and Ukraine are losing a lot compared to before 2022.
      - mrguyorama 2y ago
        By their own goals, Russia already lost this war 2 years ago. They may end it with a little extra territory and people, but that's not a victory, again, by their own claims.
    - aguaviva 2y ago
      Ukraine can't retake what it's lost they have no men left. You're extremifying. You could have said "they don't have enough people". But instead you had to dial it up to "they have no men left". No matter what is actually happening on the ground -- you definitely won't be able to make heads or tails of it, if you keep confounding yourself with rhetoric like this.
      - rrr_oh_man 2y ago
        > You could have said "they don't have enough people". But instead you had to dial it up to "they have no men left". The realities of war are not LGBTQ-friendly. My male cousin has not been allowed to leave the country for almost 3 years. His wife is in Germany.
        aguaviva 2y ago
        I'm sorry you got triggered, but that was absolutely in no way what I was getting at. That line had nothing whatsoever to do with this "people"/"men" nonsense. I was referring simply to the quantifier.
        rrr_oh_man 2y ago
        Thanks for the explanation. What’s the difference between those two?
        aguaviva 2y ago
        Subtracting the "people" vs "men" noise, I was trying to draw the distinction between the phrasings "they don't have enough people" and "they have no people left" (in both cases to meaning available to fight). The former suggests a situation which is quite dire, and that is certainly accurate in regard to Ukraine's current situation. The latter (if taken at face value) is essentially totalistic, and objectively misleading. That doesn't mean that that was their intent, of course. But to my ears it comes across as an overly emotionalized and in any case muddled characterization of the situation. Kind of like when, say, a startup is going through rough times and someone says "everyone's leaving" when really it was just their friend and a couple other people who have left. There's a word for this expressive style, btw: "histrionics".
    - r00fus 2y ago
      [flagged]
      - cmrdporcupine 2y ago
        Yes I'm sure there were no strings attached at all to Russian "support" to the Ukrainian economy.
  - cbg0 2y ago
    His messaging regarding Ukraine was not something that positively affected his campaign, on the contrary it ignited political opponents over his anti-NATO views. His campaign landed better because of his palatable way of speaking and saying a lot without saying anything, as most people that voted for him were not really aware of his positions on any serious subject.
    - RealityVoid 2y ago
      Yes, I said multiple times he was Schrodinger's candidate, he could hold multiple mutually contradictory positions at the same time. Pretty ridiculous.
  - quickthrowman 2y ago
    Romania is a member of NATO, they don’t need to give two shits about Russia being a regional power because they will not be invaded by Russia as long as the US is part of NATO.
- poloniculmov 2y ago
  His campaign messages weren't outright extremist, just your casual populism, impossible promises and a dash of dogwhistles. Once he won the first round of elections, people really started to look into his past and it's pretty insane.
  - RealityVoid 2y ago
    I think he is legitimately insane. He fits schizotypal personality disorder to a T. Multiple psychologists told me he fits.
wyager 2y ago
Our Democracy(tm) is when elected candidates are judicially removed due to accusations of having unfavorable "sympathies"
- cbg0 2y ago
  This has not happened yet, it's merely a speculation at this time, but the accusations have a solid foundation in videos of him talking about the subject and even plagiarizing speeches by famous Iron Guard members. Romania does not have free speech like the US, we have protected speech and there are some sympathies which are simply illegal, whether you agree with it or not.
  - serial_dev 2y ago
    I know nothing about this situation, but I bet it's like when they say Trump = Hitler, because he had a rally at MSG.
    - cbg0 2y ago
      Nobody's calling him Hitler, there's a lot of very weird things the guy says though, as he's pretty heavy into religious mysticism and a bit of a nutjob, some of his hits: - Pepsi contains nanochips that enter your body - water isn't actually H2O - capitalism is communism, there is no difference - everybody accepted that Covid exists, there's no such thing, there never was
    - tsimionescu 2y ago
      No, it's way beyond that. He got booted out of one of the other far right wing parties when he publicly praised Romania's 1930s-1940s fascist/nazi dictators as "heroes, who maybe did some bad things, but a lot of good". He has refused to diaavow them every time he has been asked about them. One of his major campaign leads wears Romanian nazi symbolism (think the Romanian equivalent of a swastika). The other one often posts about those same dictators, especially in commemoration of their deaths. He has started one of his speeches with an exact quote from one of said dictators. This is beyond all of the insane conspiracies and religious mystic declarations, from seeing aliens to "C-sections interrupt the divine cord", "water is not just H2O, it is information, that is why they bottle it to keep this information contained", and so many more.

by cbg0 2y ago

autoexec 2y ago

Did tiktok convince 20% of the voters to vote for a racist, or did they trick 20% into unwittingly voting for a racist? Hopefully now that everyone is talking about him and his affection for religious fascism a lot of those voters will realize what they voted for and change their vote in the future.

H8crilA 2y ago
They voted for him because he speaks pretty well for a politician. Also some of his messages really land - consider that Ukraine is losing (very very slowly, and can still win), so it makes sense to talk to both sides since it's unclear who will be calling shots in the region. Moldova is definitely next, right after Ukraine, and it cannot defend itself even from one mechanized brigade.
- AustinDev 2y ago
  >Ukraine is losing (very very slowly, and can still win), This is not remotely true, Ukraine can't retake what it's lost they have no men left. If it were true Zelensky wouldn't be contemplating ceding territory to Russia. It sucks but Ukraine lost in 2014 when the world let Crimea get annexed with no response. https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/zelensky-says-for-first-time-he-would-give-up-ukrainian-territory-to-russia-20241130-p5kurg.html https://www.smh.com.au/world/europe/zelensky-says-for-first-...
  - the_mitsuhiko 2y ago
    Just depends on how you define “winning”. Right now both Russia and Ukraine are losing a lot compared to before 2022.
    - mrguyorama 2y ago
      By their own goals, Russia already lost this war 2 years ago. They may end it with a little extra territory and people, but that's not a victory, again, by their own claims.
  - aguaviva 2y ago
    Ukraine can't retake what it's lost they have no men left. You're extremifying. You could have said "they don't have enough people". But instead you had to dial it up to "they have no men left". No matter what is actually happening on the ground -- you definitely won't be able to make heads or tails of it, if you keep confounding yourself with rhetoric like this.
    - rrr_oh_man 2y ago
      > You could have said "they don't have enough people". But instead you had to dial it up to "they have no men left". The realities of war are not LGBTQ-friendly. My male cousin has not been allowed to leave the country for almost 3 years. His wife is in Germany.
      - aguaviva 2y ago
        I'm sorry you got triggered, but that was absolutely in no way what I was getting at. That line had nothing whatsoever to do with this "people"/"men" nonsense. I was referring simply to the quantifier.
        rrr_oh_man 2y ago
        Thanks for the explanation. What’s the difference between those two?
        aguaviva 2y ago
        Subtracting the "people" vs "men" noise, I was trying to draw the distinction between the phrasings "they don't have enough people" and "they have no people left" (in both cases to meaning available to fight). The former suggests a situation which is quite dire, and that is certainly accurate in regard to Ukraine's current situation. The latter (if taken at face value) is essentially totalistic, and objectively misleading. That doesn't mean that that was their intent, of course. But to my ears it comes across as an overly emotionalized and in any case muddled characterization of the situation. Kind of like when, say, a startup is going through rough times and someone says "everyone's leaving" when really it was just their friend and a couple other people who have left. There's a word for this expressive style, btw: "histrionics".
  - r00fus 2y ago
    [flagged]
    - cmrdporcupine 2y ago
      Yes I'm sure there were no strings attached at all to Russian "support" to the Ukrainian economy.
- cbg0 2y ago
  His messaging regarding Ukraine was not something that positively affected his campaign, on the contrary it ignited political opponents over his anti-NATO views. His campaign landed better because of his palatable way of speaking and saying a lot without saying anything, as most people that voted for him were not really aware of his positions on any serious subject.
  - RealityVoid 2y ago
    Yes, I said multiple times he was Schrodinger's candidate, he could hold multiple mutually contradictory positions at the same time. Pretty ridiculous.
- quickthrowman 2y ago
  Romania is a member of NATO, they don’t need to give two shits about Russia being a regional power because they will not be invaded by Russia as long as the US is part of NATO.
poloniculmov 2y ago
His campaign messages weren't outright extremist, just your casual populism, impossible promises and a dash of dogwhistles. Once he won the first round of elections, people really started to look into his past and it's pretty insane.
- RealityVoid 2y ago
  I think he is legitimately insane. He fits schizotypal personality disorder to a T. Multiple psychologists told me he fits.

wyager 2y ago

Our Democracy(tm) is when elected candidates are judicially removed due to accusations of having unfavorable "sympathies"

cbg0 2y ago
This has not happened yet, it's merely a speculation at this time, but the accusations have a solid foundation in videos of him talking about the subject and even plagiarizing speeches by famous Iron Guard members. Romania does not have free speech like the US, we have protected speech and there are some sympathies which are simply illegal, whether you agree with it or not.
- serial_dev 2y ago
  I know nothing about this situation, but I bet it's like when they say Trump = Hitler, because he had a rally at MSG.
  - cbg0 2y ago
    Nobody's calling him Hitler, there's a lot of very weird things the guy says though, as he's pretty heavy into religious mysticism and a bit of a nutjob, some of his hits: - Pepsi contains nanochips that enter your body - water isn't actually H2O - capitalism is communism, there is no difference - everybody accepted that Covid exists, there's no such thing, there never was
  - tsimionescu 2y ago
    No, it's way beyond that. He got booted out of one of the other far right wing parties when he publicly praised Romania's 1930s-1940s fascist/nazi dictators as "heroes, who maybe did some bad things, but a lot of good". He has refused to diaavow them every time he has been asked about them. One of his major campaign leads wears Romanian nazi symbolism (think the Romanian equivalent of a swastika). The other one often posts about those same dictators, especially in commemoration of their deaths. He has started one of his speeches with an exact quote from one of said dictators. This is beyond all of the insane conspiracies and religious mystic declarations, from seeing aliens to "C-sections interrupt the divine cord", "water is not just H2O, it is information, that is why they bottle it to keep this information contained", and so many more.