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Fear. Terror. Destabilization. This lowers GDP, causes frustration, and "make this just go away" sentiment. Also, I think it happens out of frustration on the

Fear. Terror. Destabilization. This lowers GDP, causes frustration, and "make this just go away" sentiment. Also, I think it happens out of frustration on the russian side. When the "three day special operation" failed, there was a wave of random bombardment of urban areas. On a side note, I do heavily recommend watching 20 days in Mariupol.

mapt 2y ago
I mean... You'd think? That's definitely the motivation behind a lot of bombers. But one of the more resilient findings of 20th century warfare is that terror-bombing does not work to pacify a people's will from the bottom-up, only their pulse. It strengthens resolve in some people, in AT LEAST equal measure to weakening it in others.
- soulofmischief 2y ago
  That's intentional as well, because then you can label organized resistance as terrorism and get international support for genociding a country.
  - exe34 2y ago
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    - soulofmischief 2y ago
      No, Nderitu was fired because their own application of the word genocide did not meet the UN's requirements. Your logic is backwards. Nice try at denialism, though. Your words are easily reversed. Israel hates Palestine for existing. And the US-Israeli military industrial complex blame the Israeli attacks on Palestinians on the Palestinians, every day, like you're doing right now. Probably best to just leave it at that, it's going to take a while to get your foot out of your mouth.
      - exe34 2y ago
        the Israelis don't hate Palestinians for existing, what are you talking about? they let them work in Israel, they gave them health care in Israel, they provided food, electricity and water from Israel. they hate hamas for attacking them. if they wanted to get rid of the Palestinians, it would be cheaper to carpet bomb them - not use precision weapons and send in their own forces to get killed. if this is a genocide, then it's the least effective one in history - both in the number of people killed and in the fraction of the population killed. https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-u-ns-anti-israel-genocide-purge-c8feef1a https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-u-ns-anti-israel-genocide-pu... she refused, correctly, based on her extensive experience researching crimes against humanity, to call the war in Gaza a genocide (one where the supposed genicidal regime provides free food, water and electricity to the supposed victims). let's leave it at that.
        soulofmischief 2y ago
        I said Israel. The country, run by Zionists like Netanyahu. I make no generalizations or claims of any individual Israeli or group of them. I also condemn Hamas. > precision weapons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Gaza_St... > As of January 2024, researchers at Oregon State University and the City University of New York estimated that as much as 50–62% of all buildings in the Gaza Strip had been damaged or destroyed. Meanwhile, Israel has claimed only 16% of Gaza buildings were destroyed. Precision weapons? You're either being willfully ignorant or disingenuous. Do some basic research on the extent of damage in the Gaza strip. The way in which civilians are systematically targeted and executed. Schools, hospitals. Journalists. Medics. Everyone is getting caught up in the crossfire. Women and babies are dying every day. Hundreds of entire family lines wiped out forever. Poverty, starvation, infection. Cultural alienation. Mass, indiscriminate death. Drones which broadcast the sounds of screaming, injured people, and then vaporize curious Palestinians. This is one of the most well-documented colonial actions in the history of the world. Touch grass. Look at some pictures and videos, if nothing else.
        exe34 2y ago
  - vladgur 2y ago
    Your order of operations is off. Ukrainian military did not go into Kazantip[0] and surrounding villages in Crimea to kill and rape rave-goers and families. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaZantip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaZantip
    - soulofmischief 2y ago
      What are you on about? I made a general statement about authoritarian regimes and genocides and ideology. Gaza, Sudan, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Syria, Myanmar, China, Ethiopia, Ukraine, you name it. We have several active genocides and government-led terror campaigns built upon projection and manufactured consent. I literally made no claims about Ukrainian soldiers doing anything. Did you respond to the right comment? Your link just goes to a Wikipedia page on a music festival, with zero information relating to your comment.
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ElectricalUnion 2y ago
> This lowers GDP Disasters often increase GDP, because money spent repairing damaged stuff moves thru the economy. Of course that doesn't mean this spending is productive or really is making the economy grow. Just one of the reasons GDP, as any other metric, has to be taken with a grain of salt.
- marcosdumay 2y ago
  An active war provides plenty of damaged stuff to use all the repairing spending you can add on your spreadsheet. A disaster at the same time will just move the resources around.

mapt 2y ago

I mean... You'd think? That's definitely the motivation behind a lot of bombers. But one of the more resilient findings of 20th century warfare is that terror-bombing does not work to pacify a people's will from the bottom-up, only their pulse. It strengthens resolve in some people, in AT LEAST equal measure to weakening it in others.

soulofmischief 2y ago
That's intentional as well, because then you can label organized resistance as terrorism and get international support for genociding a country.
- exe34 2y ago
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  - soulofmischief 2y ago
    No, Nderitu was fired because their own application of the word genocide did not meet the UN's requirements. Your logic is backwards. Nice try at denialism, though. Your words are easily reversed. Israel hates Palestine for existing. And the US-Israeli military industrial complex blame the Israeli attacks on Palestinians on the Palestinians, every day, like you're doing right now. Probably best to just leave it at that, it's going to take a while to get your foot out of your mouth.
    - exe34 2y ago
      the Israelis don't hate Palestinians for existing, what are you talking about? they let them work in Israel, they gave them health care in Israel, they provided food, electricity and water from Israel. they hate hamas for attacking them. if they wanted to get rid of the Palestinians, it would be cheaper to carpet bomb them - not use precision weapons and send in their own forces to get killed. if this is a genocide, then it's the least effective one in history - both in the number of people killed and in the fraction of the population killed. https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-u-ns-anti-israel-genocide-purge-c8feef1a https://www.wsj.com/opinion/the-u-ns-anti-israel-genocide-pu... she refused, correctly, based on her extensive experience researching crimes against humanity, to call the war in Gaza a genocide (one where the supposed genicidal regime provides free food, water and electricity to the supposed victims). let's leave it at that.
      - soulofmischief 2y ago
        I said Israel. The country, run by Zionists like Netanyahu. I make no generalizations or claims of any individual Israeli or group of them. I also condemn Hamas. > precision weapons https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Gaza_Strip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Israeli_bombing_of_the_Gaza_St... > As of January 2024, researchers at Oregon State University and the City University of New York estimated that as much as 50–62% of all buildings in the Gaza Strip had been damaged or destroyed. Meanwhile, Israel has claimed only 16% of Gaza buildings were destroyed. Precision weapons? You're either being willfully ignorant or disingenuous. Do some basic research on the extent of damage in the Gaza strip. The way in which civilians are systematically targeted and executed. Schools, hospitals. Journalists. Medics. Everyone is getting caught up in the crossfire. Women and babies are dying every day. Hundreds of entire family lines wiped out forever. Poverty, starvation, infection. Cultural alienation. Mass, indiscriminate death. Drones which broadcast the sounds of screaming, injured people, and then vaporize curious Palestinians. This is one of the most well-documented colonial actions in the history of the world. Touch grass. Look at some pictures and videos, if nothing else.
        exe34 2y ago
- vladgur 2y ago
  Your order of operations is off. Ukrainian military did not go into Kazantip[0] and surrounding villages in Crimea to kill and rape rave-goers and families. [0] - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaZantip https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/KaZantip
  - soulofmischief 2y ago
    What are you on about? I made a general statement about authoritarian regimes and genocides and ideology. Gaza, Sudan, Nigeria, Afghanistan, Syria, Myanmar, China, Ethiopia, Ukraine, you name it. We have several active genocides and government-led terror campaigns built upon projection and manufactured consent. I literally made no claims about Ukrainian soldiers doing anything. Did you respond to the right comment? Your link just goes to a Wikipedia page on a music festival, with zero information relating to your comment.
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ElectricalUnion 2y ago

> This lowers GDP Disasters often increase GDP, because money spent repairing damaged stuff moves thru the economy. Of course that doesn't mean this spending is productive or really is making the economy grow. Just one of the reasons GDP, as any other metric, has to be taken with a grain of salt.

marcosdumay 2y ago
An active war provides plenty of damaged stuff to use all the repairing spending you can add on your spreadsheet. A disaster at the same time will just move the resources around.