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> residential buildings are routinely bombed on Ukraine What do you gain from bombing residential buildings?
by Cumpiler69 2y ago
> residential buildings are routinely bombed on Ukraine
What do you gain from bombing residential buildings?
- brohee 2y agoRussia made it clear that if those "misguided Russians" insist on staying misguided they will have to genocide them.
- tucnak 2y agoTerror
- m12k 2y agoSome percentage of those are missing their actual targets due to GPS jamming (others, just straight up terror bombardment). Also, part of the purpose is to create dilemmas for an air defense with limited resources - save the ammo factory or the children's hospital.
- protomolecule 2y ago[flagged]
- ethbr1 2y ago779 strikes on Ukrainian health facilities is a very frequent accident. https://www.attacksonhealthukraine.org/ https://www.attacksonhealthukraine.org/
- protomolecule 2y ago[flagged]
- oneshtein 2y agoCan Ukraine strike Russian hospitals then? They have lot of military personnel, thousands of soldiers.
- protomolecule 2y agoYou are confusing a hospital misused as military base for healthy soldiers with a hospital treating wounded soldiers.
- oneshtein 2y agoNope.
- gambiting 2y agoI still vividly remember pictures of a strike on a kids hospital in the very first days of the war, where a 2 year old has been killed by a Russian missile. No one has been using that hospital as a military base at the time. Nothing justifies this. There is no logic that could be twisted here to somehow make it look like it was OK for Russians to fire at those targets. In fact it isn't "OK" for Russians to fire at any targets within Ukraine, no matter their setup or positioning - I don't think it can be any clearer than this.
- protomolecule 2y ago> a strike on a kids hospital in the very first days of the war, where a 2 year old has been killed by a Russian missile This doesn't add up. There cannot be only one death from a strike on hospital.
- ethbr1 2y agoThere were 2 killed [0] in the July strike on a different children's hospital, in Kyiv. https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/08/world/video/ukraine-childrens-hospital-strike-digvid https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/08/world/video/ukraine-childrens... Not sure how much clearer than a video of a missile hitting a hospital this can be? [0] https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/08/europe/ukraine-russian-strike-childrens-hospital-intl/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2024/07/08/europe/ukraine-russian-strike...
- protomolecule 2y agoWhich doesn't add up either. It's Ukraine's largest children hospital. Meanwhile there is a sprawling military plant Artem nearby, which has been a target of multiple Russian missile strikes. The Russian MoD said the hospital was hit by a malfunctioning Ukrainian anti-missile, but if you don't believe that, what do you think is more likely: that the military plant was the target and a Russian missile missed it, hitting a corner of the hospital building instead, or that the hospital was the target, but the missile failed in its attempt to kill scores of children being treated for cancer, which would be one of the most heinous war crimes imaginable?
- lnsru 2y agoThis organization has no creditability at all. It lost it complaining about countries defending their borders from immigrants and recent antisemitism campaigns. Sorry. It’s now another anti western propaganda machine comparable to Russia Today. Long way traveled for once Nobel prize winning organization.
- scotty79 2y agoDo you have any proof that this is not the case?
- jonasenordin 2y agoIs this _really_ how you want the game to be played?
- scotty79 2y agoYes. It's less delusional than assuming basic humanity from attackers ... in a war.
- protomolecule 2y agoSo when Ukrainian regime attacked separatists in the Donetsk and Lughansk regions in 2014, were they lacking basic humanity in your eyes? Just asking.
- oneshtein 2y agoGirkin («Strelkov») is Russian agent from Russia. Do we need your permission to kill Russian invaders?
- protomolecule 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vostok_Brigade https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vostok_Brigade
- aguaviva 2y ago"Russian invaders, and the occasional local collaborator or two." Who in any case know exactly what's coming to them.
- justsomehnguy 2y ago> Also, part of the purpose is to create dilemmas for an air defense with limited resources - save the ammo factory or the children's hospital. And how it would happen? Putin calls an AA site and tells them "tehre is two missiles your way - one for ammo factory and other for the children's hospital - it's your choice what to defend"?
- gpderetta 2y agoOf course not. If everything is a legitimate target the defender has to decide whether to expend limited AA to protect civilian or strategic targets. edit: the value of cheap Iranian drones is specifically that they potentially tie up expensive AA.
- mschuster91 2y ago> If everything is a legitimate target the defender has to decide whether to expend limited AA to protect civilian or strategic targets. And this is precisely why targeting civilian infrastructure is a war crime, as is hiding/embedding military infrastructure in or below civilian infrastructure.
- brianwawok 2y agoWell better call the war crime police to send offenders to war crime jail.
- mschuster91 2y agoThere will be quite the aftermath in the Israel/Palestine conflict for that. No matter what, the ICC investigation is here to stay - and both sides will have to face justice. For Russia/Ukraine I'm less certain that anything will come around because even if Russia gets driven out of Ukraine in its entirety, there is zero chance any Russian will be held accountable by anyone on the world stage.
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- ironhalik 2y agoFear. Terror. Destabilization. This lowers GDP, causes frustration, and "make this just go away" sentiment. Also, I think it happens out of frustration on the russian side. When the "three day special operation" failed, there was a wave of random bombardment of urban areas. On a side note, I do heavily recommend watching 20 days in Mariupol.
- mapt 2y agoI mean... You'd think? That's definitely the motivation behind a lot of bombers. But one of the more resilient findings of 20th century warfare is that terror-bombing does not work to pacify a people's will from the bottom-up, only their pulse. It strengthens resolve in some people, in AT LEAST equal measure to weakening it in others.
- soulofmischief 2y agoThat's intentional as well, because then you can label organized resistance as terrorism and get international support for genociding a country.
- exe34 2y ago[flagged]
- soulofmischief 2y agoNo, Nderitu was fired because their own application of the word genocide did not meet the UN's requirements. Your logic is backwards. Nice try at denialism, though. Your words are easily reversed. Israel hates Palestine for existing. And the US-Israeli military industrial complex blame the Israeli attacks on Palestinians on the Palestinians, every day, like you're doing right now. Probably best to just leave it at that, it's going to take a while to get your foot out of your mouth.
- exe34 2y ago
- brabel 2y agoIf you want to know what's really happening, follow one of the mappers on Youtube. They have daily updates on what bombs fell where, usually with footage and everything. You will get a really good idea of why this is happening.
- usrnm 2y agoIn most cases residential buildings are not the original target, some rockets/drones just miss, some get shot down and fall wherever. It happens to the both sides of the front line, btw. Not to downplay the humanitarian catastrophe that is the current war on Ukraine, but it's just a war, no need to add drama, there's more than enough as it is.
- magicalist 2y agoThis is really weird to suggest that Russia hasn't systematically bombed a very large number of residential areas. That's been their SOP in several conflicts.
- linuxftw 2y agoThey don't bomb residential buildings in areas with civilians present. The 'residential areas' they are fighting against are positions taken up by Ukranian soldiers. The Russians are happy to go block by block with artillery to remove the opposing soldiers, they're not targeting civilians.
- dralley 2y agoYou are absolutely wrong. They 100% target civilians - and FFS they will post videos of themselves doing it and brag about it on Telegram and Twitter. Chechnya and the Syrian civil war were no different, but now there's video evidence and admissions of guilt all over the internet (and more than that, they laugh about firefighters and medics being blown up by drones and bombs), and yet still people deny it. It's nuts. If you're saying this stuff, you're either not actually paying attention to the evidence or you're deliberately closing your eyes to it. It's that absurd. https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1858613355734593549 https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1858613355734593549 https://x.com/giK1893/status/1853605570844237863 https://x.com/giK1893/status/1853605570844237863 https://tochnyi.info/2024/11/steel-leaves-the-autumn-brings-yet-more-horrors-in-kherson/ https://tochnyi.info/2024/11/steel-leaves-the-autumn-brings-... https://x.com/kelley7622/status/1851283166645858647 https://x.com/kelley7622/status/1851283166645858647 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GUrNPPTSWM https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1GUrNPPTSWM https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/russian-general-troops-killed-civilians-ukraine/ https://www.pbs.org/wgbh/frontline/article/russian-general-t... https://www.wsj.com/video/series/on-the-news/russia-is-using-drones-to-hunt-civilians-in-ukraines-kherson/935024A7-031C-4478-930F-D2A941876B25 https://www.wsj.com/video/series/on-the-news/russia-is-using... https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1848832251561132221 https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1848832251561132221 https://x.com/giK1893/status/1844925970643382547 https://x.com/giK1893/status/1844925970643382547 https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1842862546530803759 https://x.com/AndrewPerpetua/status/1842862546530803759
- dgroshev 2y agoWhat do you gain from hunting civilians? [1] [2] [1]: https://www.ft.com/content/31b630b3-2639-456c-ba50-3caea7a9b2b5 https://www.ft.com/content/31b630b3-2639-456c-ba50-3caea7a9b... [2]: https://archive.ph/v5qeA https://archive.ph/v5qeA
- justsomehnguy 2y ago>> killer drones >> Since mid-July, Kherson and its neighbouring villages along the western side of the Dnipro river have suffered more than 9,500 attacks with small drones, killing at least 37 people and injuring hundreds more
- mnky9800n 2y agoTerror.
- chgs 2y agohttps://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baedeker_Blitz https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Baedeker_Blitz
- NooneAtAll3 2y agoin some cases drone production is placed there (like in a bowling alley) other times individual foreign soldiers are stationed there - and doom whole building as a target
- protomolecule 2y ago>individual foreign soldiers are stationed there - and doom whole building as a target Source?
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- NooneAtAll3 2y agomy relatives, who had couple belarusian soldiers stationed on upper floors of 6-story buildings "stationed" as in "lived while not on the frontline"
- ponector 2y agoWhat a fool is firing a missile worth millions of dollars to destroy resting place of few soldiers? Russians always cover their crimes with lies.
- protomolecule 2y agoWhat a fool is firing a missile worth millions of dollars to destroy a building with no soldiers at all?
- NooneAtAll3 2y agodoesn't need to be a missile - there are plenty of gliding bombs to drop with enough range and soldiers won't be stationed in the cities half a country over anyway - and gliding bombs are enough to reach Kherson/Kharkov/Zaporozhie
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- protomolecule 2y ago[flagged]
- troupo 2y agoAh yes, it's the Ukraine's fault that Russia is indiscriminately bombing them.
- protomolecule 2y ago[flagged]
- libertine 2y agoWhy does Russia bomb medical facilities, hospitals, and maternities in Ukraine? Why did they do the same in Chechnya? It's terrorism and one of the many crimes of genocide Russia is committing in Ukraine: > A mental element: the "intent to destroy, in whole or in part, a national, ethnical, racial or religious group, as such"; and A physical element, which includes the following five acts, enumerated exhaustively: Killing members of the group; Causing serious bodily or mental harm to members of the group; Deliberately inflicting on the group conditions of life calculated to bring about its physical destruction in whole or in part; Imposing measures intended to prevent births within the group; Forcibly transferring children of the group to another group [0] While the comparisons to Nazi Germany don't make sense, because Nazis were their own thing, Putin's Russia is also their own thing and should have a reserved space in History for their atrocities. Their contributions to people's misery are enough to sustain their place. Like people forget the propaganda campaign about freezing Ukrainians in the winter after the destruction of their power grid? This was boasted with pride on Russian propaganda, there's pride in making Ukrainians suffer.[1][2] [0]https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition https://www.un.org/en/genocide-prevention/definition [1]https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-factcheck/3912830-russian-propaganda-scaring-ukrainians-with-tough-winter-through-fake-video-from-energy-ministry.html https://www.ukrinform.net/rubric-factcheck/3912830-russian-p... [2] https://en.detector.media/post/a-terrible-winter-awaits-ukrainians-what-russian-propagandists-are-saying-on-telegram-about-the-2024-2025-winter-in-ukraine https://en.detector.media/post/a-terrible-winter-awaits-ukra...
- fifilura 2y agoRussia has so much ammunition from the Soviet times with maybe 500m CEP. Who knows maybe 5% hits the target. Either way it is cheaper to just fire them more or less randomly than to keep them in stock. They use for example air to air or naval rockets that were designed to hit an aircraft or ship. But in ground mode their seekers are just not used.
- ponector 2y agoIt is just who russians are, have always been. Russians cannot win, thus continue to commit war crimes just because they can and no one wants to stop them. Bombing huge cities with 400kg of cluster munitions or old missiles with 100+ meters of CEP is nothing else than a war crime.
- NooneAtAll3 2y agoif we are going to be racist, then let's argue about americans being who they are, causing revolutions and threatening revolutions to keep said governments inline
- blitzar 2y ago> What do you gain from bombing residential buildings? Its how you do war, you bomb everything and shoot everyone.
- aguaviva 2y agoYou'll have to ask the aggressor. I'd imagine they'd tell you it's the same benefit they hoped to derive in targeting a theatre in the middle of town that was known to be in use as a bomb shelter, and had the world "Children" painted in large letters out front: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariupol_theatre_airstrike https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariupol_theatre_airstrike Last time we spoke, they said something about an urgent need to "de-nazify" the area.