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You do realize that it takes at least 5 years for new products to come to fruition in semi right? And Intel brought GPUs to market under Gelsinger's tenure. Th

You do realize that it takes at least 5 years for new products to come to fruition in semi right? And Intel brought GPUs to market under Gelsinger's tenure. This isn't some software startup that just pivots from widget A to widget B or some ad campaign Even Tesla took like 5 years from announcement (after several years of developing a prototype BEFORE the announcement) to bringing the Cybertruck to market, and unlike cars, you need to mostly build the entire assembly line from scratch for new nodes every few years. It will be at least 3 years before we even see the outcome of decisions Gelsinger made at the beginning of his tenure.

nonrandomstring 2y ago
Big companies are not agile. On the other hand I studied VLSI at school and we designed a 4 bit microprocessor (team of 10 students) in a couple of months and had it fabbed and back on the test bench before the end of semester. And we had to listen to what the instructor told us, which is the failing I'm chewing Intel out for. Being obstreperous and uncooperative with the market, not slow.
sounds 2y ago
Grandparent said: > it simply cannot bring itself to make a product that people want To which you responded: > You do realize that it takes at least 5 years Intel could lower the price on their HEDT chips tomorrow. Intel could enable AVX-512 tomorrow. Intel could more fully open up their fabs to other companies tomorrow. Intel could publicly commit to producing silicon with no Management Engine tomorrow. What would you do, if you were Intel CEO?
- spoaceman7777 2y ago
  > Intel could enable AVX-512 tomorrow. They can't just enable AVX-512 on their chips that include both performance and efficiency cores, because it's only present on the perf cores. > Intel could more fully open up their fabs to other companies tomorrow. Their fabs are open to other companies. they have multiple customers already signed on to make their chips on 18A/1.8nm process that enters mass production next year, including Amazon and the DoD. > Intel could publicly commit to producing silicon with no Management Engine tomorrow. Do real people actually care about the presence or absence of the IME to such a degree that it would be worth redesigning a bunch of their products and greatly increasing the number of individual SKUs? ... and, your first point "Intel could lower the price on their HEDT chips tomorrow". Well.. they could I suppose? They are pretty irrelevant when it comes to HEDT chips anyway though considering how crazy Threadrippers are. Would they really sell more of them if they knocked a couple hundred off their 2000/3000 lines? probably not. they're all under 5GHz anyway.
  - sounds 2y ago
    Grandparent said: > it simply cannot bring itself to make a product that people want It sure looks like you know exactly how Intel manages to bury their hand in the sand, not making any products people want.

nonrandomstring 2y ago

Big companies are not agile. On the other hand I studied VLSI at school and we designed a 4 bit microprocessor (team of 10 students) in a couple of months and had it fabbed and back on the test bench before the end of semester. And we had to listen to what the instructor told us, which is the failing I'm chewing Intel out for. Being obstreperous and uncooperative with the market, not slow.

sounds 2y ago

Grandparent said: > it simply cannot bring itself to make a product that people want To which you responded: > You do realize that it takes at least 5 years Intel could lower the price on their HEDT chips tomorrow. Intel could enable AVX-512 tomorrow. Intel could more fully open up their fabs to other companies tomorrow. Intel could publicly commit to producing silicon with no Management Engine tomorrow. What would you do, if you were Intel CEO?

spoaceman7777 2y ago
> Intel could enable AVX-512 tomorrow. They can't just enable AVX-512 on their chips that include both performance and efficiency cores, because it's only present on the perf cores. > Intel could more fully open up their fabs to other companies tomorrow. Their fabs are open to other companies. they have multiple customers already signed on to make their chips on 18A/1.8nm process that enters mass production next year, including Amazon and the DoD. > Intel could publicly commit to producing silicon with no Management Engine tomorrow. Do real people actually care about the presence or absence of the IME to such a degree that it would be worth redesigning a bunch of their products and greatly increasing the number of individual SKUs? ... and, your first point "Intel could lower the price on their HEDT chips tomorrow". Well.. they could I suppose? They are pretty irrelevant when it comes to HEDT chips anyway though considering how crazy Threadrippers are. Would they really sell more of them if they knocked a couple hundred off their 2000/3000 lines? probably not. they're all under 5GHz anyway.
- sounds 2y ago
  Grandparent said: > it simply cannot bring itself to make a product that people want It sure looks like you know exactly how Intel manages to bury their hand in the sand, not making any products people want.