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Healthcare companies are yanking info from their leadership pages
- ryandrake 2y agoThis is actually kind of darkly hilarious. A CEO is gunned down and their solution is... "Let's try to keep secret who our CEO is!" Top minds at work here.
- techjamie 2y agoTrying to obscure information from people has never backfired in the history of the internet, and certainly nobody will be motivated to publicize the information further.
- bean-weevil 2y agoI mean idk about you, but I don't want anymore of these people to die. I might not like them, but they're still people.
- techjamie 2y agoNot encouraging it to keep happening, just pointing out the fact that this isn't an effective response. If someone wants to get your information, and is motivated enough to kill you, they will. The best response would be to up security in the short term, and try to change how you work so people aren't so motivated that they'll want to kill you in the long term.
- IncreasePosts 2y agoIf you want to be absolutely disgusted by humanity, go over to reddit.com, pick any random post about this event on the frontpage, and look at the thousands of people celebrating Thompson's murder. And begging for more.
- yardie 2y agoHe was the CEO of a company who used an "AI" to deny over 90% of claims. His choices indirectly impacted the life of millions and possibly killed 1000s prematurely. The healthcare industry had it coming, he just happened to be in the wrong place for it.
- IncreasePosts 2y agoOkay, do rank and file employees have it coming to? Let's say the software engineers who helped create that AI - should they be on the hit list?
- bdangubic 2y agodevelopers should think long and hard about what they do, where they work and what is the impact of their work on society. if your “ticket” says “do some data mining shit to figure out a way to deny claims” perhaps polishing up your resume is a good idea
- IncreasePosts 2y agoI didn't ask if they need to think long and hard, I asked if they are on the hit list. I guess nurses, and medical coders are on the list too. 400,000 people actually By the way, what do you do for a living?
- OnlineGladiator 2y agoIf someone did something shitty to contribute to someone else's misery, they shouldn't be surprised the afflicted is upset with them. Where to draw the line for what's shitty and what's an appropriate punishment is subjective, but lawful and ethical only have so much overlap. Job title is irrelevant. Employer is irrelevant. I completely disagree with everything you're advocating for. I've worked at shitty companies and I quit because I didn't want to do shitty things. This is HN. The majority of people here are incredibly privileged and aren't forced to work an immoral job just to afford necessities. Barring extenuating circumstances - which absolutely do not apply to most people here - it is a choice. Anyway, I don't really wanna have a back and forth with you. You come across as incredibly childish to me. I don't respect you enough to care what you think about me and I assume the feeling is mutual.
- anonzzzies 2y agoThe people they decline healthcare to are people. Are you not an inhumane executioner denying life saving procedures based on 10 sec check and some AI data? Sure, I don't condone it and the system must be fixed instead, but 'they are still people' seems not good. A lot of very evil people in history and today are also people.
- QuarterReptile 2y ago>Are you not an inhumane executioner denying life saving procedures based on 10 sec check and some AI data? Parent pointed out that the CEO was a person. Sophistry ensues, where you denied the humanity of the deceased because of your disapproval of his enterprise, but then conclude by appearing to double back and not deny his humanity at the end.
- xcrunner529 2y agoOr asking for treating someone like a human who consistently for decades didn’t do the same. Tough.
- anonzzzies 2y agoNot so tough; I would not personally not consider a pencil pusher that causes, indirectly but he knew what he was doing, 100k-1m of deaths and suffering, a human at all. People defend him by saying he was just an accountant; you can say that for a lot of unsavory people throughout history. But I am against insurance as a business at all; it is by design perverse: you want to deny claims, how is or can it be ever good for the client? Where I live, healthcare insurers are not allowed to deny claims, but other insurers can; I always take them to court if they do, even for a few 100 euros. These 'humans' have no right to screw over innocent people without recourse; it's simply stealing and in the case of health or disability it is torture or murder; they need to be held accountable, including the ceo and not just money fines (slap on wrists they are insured for!); prison time. If you deny cancer treatment and it turns out the claim was valid and you had ai decide or someone (or multiple people) knew it was valid but still declined it, that's prison time for negligence, theft and possibly murder (with intent as you knew the outcome and did it anyway); in any other scenario it would be anyway.
- mcv 2y agoI don't want anyone to die, but I feel a lot more empathy with innocent shooting victims than with the CEO of a company known for driving people into bankruptcy or death. Any school shooting victim's life should be considered equally valuable as that of any CEO. Or the lives of people dying from preventable diseases.
- xcrunner529 2y agoGoing to make a site that pulls executives for all Fortune 500 companies. Internet Company Executives DataBase (ICEB).
- dmitrygr 2y agoDoes archive.org accept takedown requests?
- zavertnik 2y agoYes. Copyright issues are handled in the way you'd expect. Take down requests outside of copyright are reviewed internally without guarantee of outcome. https://help.archive.org/help/how-do-i-request-to-remove-something-from-archive-org/ https://help.archive.org/help/how-do-i-request-to-remove-som...
- Mountain_Skies 2y agoWonder if AI companies are updating their LLM filter rules to account for this.
- nraynaud 2y agoI guess "not being assholes" has been given all the consideration it deserved and been rejected after a vivid internal debate.
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- thejazzman 2y agoWhen healthcare companies are assholes, people die, and it's doubly infuriating that it happens in a way that no one is held liable People are cheering that in a world full of corruption, someone was actually punished for what they do. That's the opinion. That's why they're celebrating.
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- mcv 2y agoThis wasn't a random employee, but the CEO of a health insurance company. The person directly responsible for the actions of a company that defrauded its customers. Let's not muddle the issue.
- IncreasePosts 2y agoHow much damage could he do if no one worked for him? Yeah, the leader is worse than the rank and file, but they're just enabling him. Do you think we shouldn't have killed rank and file Nazis when they were implementing hitler's plans?
- atrus 2y agoHey now, the Nazi's believed they were making the world a better place. This guy was just lining his pockets off the bodies of his customers. He's in a class of evil above them. But, the ideal goal is to go from top down, and the allies would have had to kill a lot less rank and file Nazi's if they had been able to knock the top of the Nazi party off.
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- akira2501 2y ago> have reasonable margins You should really take a look at the 10 year stock price history of UNH. It's price is up around 650%. IBM has gone up 12% in that same time. Gold metal up 60%. UNH is the third highest earning issue I have in this 10 year old strategy test portfolio beat out only by NOW and MPWR.
- IncreasePosts 2y agoWhy'd you pick IBM, and not MSFT?
- akira2501 2y agoIt was all selected by automated strategy in 2014. This one was built by looking for particular price signals, inside a market cap range, with a favorable ratio of insider buys vs sells or option exercises.
- SpaceNoodled 2y agoLobbying and regulatory capture are preventing the very simple solution of universal healthcare. If targeted assassinations are what it takes to get progress, then it is what it is.
- doitLP 2y agoHow exactly will targeted assassinations of stuffed suits running healthcare companies lead to progress towards universal healthcare?
- wildrhythms 2y agoElectoral politics haven't worked, so here we are. Healthcare bankruptcy is the leading form of bankruptcy in the United States.
- akira2501 2y agoIt's highly likely the FBI reached out to many of these organizations to do some initial contact and provide them some information regarding the current threat outlook. The worry is always copycats. This strikes me as an overzealous internal response by the content team who otherwise doesn't know what to do with any of this. Since they're publicly traded all of this information is required to be in SEC reports anyways.
- loceng 2y agoThere's a shocking amount of #EatTheRich crowd totally happy with the assassination as supposedly justified vigilante justice. Divide and conquer. The weaponized ideological mob is quite the useful herd to wield.
- mdanger007 2y agoNot what I’m reading. People on my timeline are asking why we’re forced to pay into a feudal system in which health coverage is not guaranteed leaving them with hospital bills in the tens of thousands of dollars for minor procedures after their claim was arbitrarily denied. Others are asking how in the wealthiest nation on earth 1 million people go bankrupt from medical bills when guys like this CEO are making $56 million a year
- wildrhythms 2y agoOr maybe vigilante justice isn't people's first choice, but justice is justice to them.
- rmellow 2y agoPrediction: CEO salaries increase to account for hazard pay.
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- Lammy 2y agoMentally replacing every CEO's about-page blurb with “Here are some words you can use to describe me: bulletproof, golden, untouchable, ironclad, godly.” https://youtu.be/UsGcg1icSyA?t=125 https://youtu.be/UsGcg1icSyA?t=125
- TheAceOfHearts 2y agoThe two key things I've been wondering about since the initial shooting: 1. Do you think this could lead to a cascade of murder attempts towards CEOs who are perceived by many as doing harm or being evil? 2. Do you think this assassination will lead to companies with a negative public image to invest more heavily in reforming how they're perceived?
- dehrmann 2y agoIt's the third high-profile assassination (or attempt) in the US this year. I think the Gretchen Whitmer kidnapping plot in 2020 was the closest thing we had before that. Sadly, I think the answer to 1 is yes.
- TheAceOfHearts 2y agoI'm guessing the attempt on Donald Trump was the first, but what was the second?
- soupfordummies 2y agoThere were two attempts on Trump less than a month apart. The second wasn’t AS big of a story because I think they got the guy before he was able to get a shot off.
- neom 2y agoOut of curiosity I looked up how much other companies pay to protect their CEOs. Aprox: Andy Jassy: $986,164 2023 - Tim Apple: $820,309 2023 (plus 1.6mill in jet use) - Jensen: 2.4ish mill 2024 - Doug McMillon (Wal-Mart) 1.5MM 2022 - Sundar Pichai: 6.7MM 2024
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- smaug7 2y agoFWIW, I saw Tim Cook in Pac Heights a few months back just walking around. There were two "guys" in plain clothes in front and behind him on that Saturday morning. I was able to say "hello" and he was nice. I imagine there are probably others monitoring his security that I couldn't see also.
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- modeless 2y agoThis comment section is a disgrace. HN really has fallen.
- nicolas_17 2y agoGood luck finding a website where people are not happy about this shooting in the comments.
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- Mountain_Skies 2y agoWhile the attention the case is getting from the public is understandable, if this had been some random shop owner opening his store for the morning that got shot, would the NYPD give it the same level of attention? If not, why is it ok for this CEO's killing to get greater resources than the random shop owner?
- zzleeper 2y agoBecause if CEOs and billionaires can't feel safe, then what's the purpose of having all that money? Also, there are a myriad of channels on which $$$ people can donate to police departments (nycpolicefoundation.org https://gothamist.com/news/5-facts-about-new-nypd-commissioner-jessica-tischs-billionaire-family https://gothamist.com/news/5-facts-about-new-nypd-commission... etc), but poorer people are not going to do that, so why bother spending as many resources?
- Workaccount2 2y agoIf you want an honest boring answer: It's because killing a CEO of a megacorp is a nationwide signal for civil unrest. A lot of people want to see those with power be shot on the street. Virtually no one wants to see a random person be shot on the street.
- mcv 2y agoBecause the US is a class based society.
- QuarterReptile 2y agoEveryone is talking in my town about how it feels like its 15F outside today. In Alaska I bet that would not be news. Executions are somewhat less commonplace than random lethal violence. Plus, everyone knows how to reduce random killings, though we don't do it... this, on the other hand, is a problem requiring more attention.
- prng2021 2y agoThis is useless. The SEC requires public companies to list their entire c-suite on their annual proxy statements which anyone can find with a 2 second google search.
- ChrisArchitect 2y agoRelated: Americans React to UnitedHealthcare CEO's Murder: 'My Empathy Is Out of Network' https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42327272 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42327272 Torrent of Hate for Health Insurance Industry Follows CEO's Killing https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42334016 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=42334016
- SaintSeiya 2y agoNot all heroes wear capes
- hkchad 2y agoCyber Security companies always recommend against putting personal information on websites/linked in, guess it took physical security for anyone to actually listen.