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I feel a lot of the pacifist 'we are civilised, violence should not be the answer' is a very wishy-washy opinion that comes from a position of privilege. Violen

I feel a lot of the pacifist 'we are civilised, violence should not be the answer' is a very wishy-washy opinion that comes from a position of privilege. Violence works—or at least, the threat of violence works. This is what keeps many people in line; it's how laws work. Imprisonment is inherently violent; physical force is used to restrain people and curtail their rights. Mutually-assured destruction (it's literally in the name) kept the superpowers from actually lobbing nukes at each other (and they still ended up fighting dozens of proxy wars anyway). Vietnam recently sentenced someone to death for embezzling ~$12 billion[1]. [1]: https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd753r47815o https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/articles/cd753r47815o

wholinator2 2y ago
I agree, lots of, "my health insurance is fine! And besides wouldn't they try to kill me since i made insert relatively shitty technology for a decade". Reads like privilege of not having had these difficulties (because money), lack of empathy to read the room and maybe learn that far more people have far more problems than you might experience. And finally a suddenly realized guilty conscious(?) about their own roles in little pains and problems they created for people. Of course the person who built the claim denial system is going to be opposed to this discussion, because they're afraid. But, shouldn't they be? Shouldn't people be afraid to participate in evil systems? Otherwise what stops evil systems from continuously being spread into every aspect of everyone's (poors) lives.
vouaobrasil 2y ago
Pacifism is a lofty ideal but also an ideal co-opted by violent power structures as a tool to reduce cognitive dissonance in those that would and should otherwise fight for their rights. For example, I believe in peace and wish peace upon the world but I am not a pacifist and believe that a variety of techniques are necessary to prevent the world from becoming a techno-tyranny.
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wholinator2 2y ago

I agree, lots of, "my health insurance is fine! And besides wouldn't they try to kill me since i made insert relatively shitty technology for a decade". Reads like privilege of not having had these difficulties (because money), lack of empathy to read the room and maybe learn that far more people have far more problems than you might experience. And finally a suddenly realized guilty conscious(?) about their own roles in little pains and problems they created for people. Of course the person who built the claim denial system is going to be opposed to this discussion, because they're afraid. But, shouldn't they be? Shouldn't people be afraid to participate in evil systems? Otherwise what stops evil systems from continuously being spread into every aspect of everyone's (poors) lives.

vouaobrasil 2y ago

Pacifism is a lofty ideal but also an ideal co-opted by violent power structures as a tool to reduce cognitive dissonance in those that would and should otherwise fight for their rights. For example, I believe in peace and wish peace upon the world but I am not a pacifist and believe that a variety of techniques are necessary to prevent the world from becoming a techno-tyranny.

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