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Atomized violence like this is pure adventurism and does nothing to improve the lives ruined by men like Brian Thompson. If anything, this event will serve as a

Atomized violence like this is pure adventurism and does nothing to improve the lives ruined by men like Brian Thompson. If anything, this event will serve as a catalyst to expand the police state. There is nothing to celebrate here.

vouaobrasil 2y ago
That is probably true. Direct atmomized violence as you nicely put it is in some way welcomed by the system because it is a perfect excuse for the system to tighten the reigns.
subjectsigma 2y ago
When I was a super angsty teenager I had a little thought experiment. I imagined that I had a Death Note or some other magical device that could instantly murder someone from any range at any time. How long would it take me to eradicate McDonalds? (Nothing against McD in particular, just using it as an example of an enormous company.) I eventually came to the conclusion that there’s no way to do it killing individuals one by one in isolation. You would have to kill enough people to start changing society, in one way or another. But you can already do that, plenty of other ways to change society without murder. It might be hard but not impossible. To 13 year old me this was like some divine epiphany, and so even though it’s, well, pretty unimpressive, the event is very clear in my memory.
- p3rls 2y ago
  I would bet I could take mcdonalds out in under an hour. You don't need to kill everyone just a few at the top to make your divine will understood. Btw I love mcdonalds and would never
- tivert 2y ago
  > When I was a super angsty teenager I had a little thought experiment. I imagined that I had a Death Note or some other magical device that could instantly murder someone from any range at any time. How long would it take me to eradicate McDonalds? ... I eventually came to the conclusion that there’s no way to do it killing individuals one by one in isolation. I'm not so sure. What if you repeatedly and predictably killed whoever occupied C-suite and the board (or whoever takes the leadership roles)? Eventually, people would see the pattern, and no one would agree to take those roles, and the company would die. In your thought experience, if you proceeded to predictably kill whoever was*next in the line of succession after exactly a week, you could probably even trigger a mass resignation without even killing that many leaders, as everyone races to get out of the way.
  - wholinator2 2y ago
    Yeah, the other strategy is to release statements about why they're dying. "The next CEO that increases their salary or does a stock buyback within 12 months of laying off more than 30 employees will die." And then follow that up with action? Sure, they'd hunt you down, but they'd stop extracting like that reeeaaall fast.
manquer 2y ago
Such a police state cannot function without meaningful gun control regulation, so it might still improve lives. No amount of security and surveillance can guarantee safety . Secret service and intelligence community has thousands of people at their disposal and exceptionally advanced tech yet the attempts on Regan or trump failed just on luck . UK is a good example of what kind of police state you imagine, strong surveillance with strong gun laws , it won’t solve healthcare or class divides but mass shootings and violent crime rates will drop.
- wesselbindt 2y ago
  As far as I can see the incarcération rate in the US is about 4 times higher than that in the UK. The US even has the death penalty, where the UK does not. When it comes to surveillance, there's no greater set of invasive measures than the PATRIOT act. When I talk about police states, that's the kind of stuff I mean. And it seems like it's functioning just fine in the US, despite the lack of meaningful gun control.
  - manquer 2y ago
    My point is that there is not much else the state can do expect gun control they already have extensive monitoring, police forces with free rein, the worst incarceration rate on par with likes of Saudi Arabia as you point out. The only major difference between UK and here is gun control (and to an extent media control) I.e first and second amendment rights . Observing the coverage of this event , more media control doesn’t seem to likely have meaningful returns , so gun control is all that is left. I am not saying the government will be smart to figure it out and do it, however unless they do it there won’t be meaningful impact on the people’s ability to react this way. —- PS: UK unlike Netherlands or like nordic countries is rate limited by capacity of prison system This is also a problem in US a bit less acute though, so it is hard to say what would be natural rate for UK would it closer to US or not. Capacity influences policy on sentence length, early releases etc
anigbrowl 2y ago
I'm not so sure about that https://www.fastcompany.com/91241537/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-reverses-course-controversial-anesthesia-policy-backlash https://www.fastcompany.com/91241537/anthem-blue-cross-blue-...
xvector 2y ago
There is not much a police state can do when 1 out of every 3 Americans own guns. > There is nothing to celebrate here. Disagree. This might be the best news in a long time.
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- wesselbindt 2y ago
  Their incarceration rate is the fifth highest in the world, they have the death penalty, and their surveillance apparatus is infamous. Sure seems like a police state to me. But the population does get to keep the trinkets that make them feel like big boys, I'll give you that.

vouaobrasil 2y ago

That is probably true. Direct atmomized violence as you nicely put it is in some way welcomed by the system because it is a perfect excuse for the system to tighten the reigns.

subjectsigma 2y ago

When I was a super angsty teenager I had a little thought experiment. I imagined that I had a Death Note or some other magical device that could instantly murder someone from any range at any time. How long would it take me to eradicate McDonalds? (Nothing against McD in particular, just using it as an example of an enormous company.) I eventually came to the conclusion that there’s no way to do it killing individuals one by one in isolation. You would have to kill enough people to start changing society, in one way or another. But you can already do that, plenty of other ways to change society without murder. It might be hard but not impossible. To 13 year old me this was like some divine epiphany, and so even though it’s, well, pretty unimpressive, the event is very clear in my memory.

p3rls 2y ago
I would bet I could take mcdonalds out in under an hour. You don't need to kill everyone just a few at the top to make your divine will understood. Btw I love mcdonalds and would never
tivert 2y ago
> When I was a super angsty teenager I had a little thought experiment. I imagined that I had a Death Note or some other magical device that could instantly murder someone from any range at any time. How long would it take me to eradicate McDonalds? ... I eventually came to the conclusion that there’s no way to do it killing individuals one by one in isolation. I'm not so sure. What if you repeatedly and predictably killed whoever occupied C-suite and the board (or whoever takes the leadership roles)? Eventually, people would see the pattern, and no one would agree to take those roles, and the company would die. In your thought experience, if you proceeded to predictably kill whoever was*next in the line of succession after exactly a week, you could probably even trigger a mass resignation without even killing that many leaders, as everyone races to get out of the way.
- wholinator2 2y ago
  Yeah, the other strategy is to release statements about why they're dying. "The next CEO that increases their salary or does a stock buyback within 12 months of laying off more than 30 employees will die." And then follow that up with action? Sure, they'd hunt you down, but they'd stop extracting like that reeeaaall fast.

manquer 2y ago

Such a police state cannot function without meaningful gun control regulation, so it might still improve lives. No amount of security and surveillance can guarantee safety . Secret service and intelligence community has thousands of people at their disposal and exceptionally advanced tech yet the attempts on Regan or trump failed just on luck . UK is a good example of what kind of police state you imagine, strong surveillance with strong gun laws , it won’t solve healthcare or class divides but mass shootings and violent crime rates will drop.

wesselbindt 2y ago
As far as I can see the incarcération rate in the US is about 4 times higher than that in the UK. The US even has the death penalty, where the UK does not. When it comes to surveillance, there's no greater set of invasive measures than the PATRIOT act. When I talk about police states, that's the kind of stuff I mean. And it seems like it's functioning just fine in the US, despite the lack of meaningful gun control.
- manquer 2y ago
  My point is that there is not much else the state can do expect gun control they already have extensive monitoring, police forces with free rein, the worst incarceration rate on par with likes of Saudi Arabia as you point out. The only major difference between UK and here is gun control (and to an extent media control) I.e first and second amendment rights . Observing the coverage of this event , more media control doesn’t seem to likely have meaningful returns , so gun control is all that is left. I am not saying the government will be smart to figure it out and do it, however unless they do it there won’t be meaningful impact on the people’s ability to react this way. —- PS: UK unlike Netherlands or like nordic countries is rate limited by capacity of prison system This is also a problem in US a bit less acute though, so it is hard to say what would be natural rate for UK would it closer to US or not. Capacity influences policy on sentence length, early releases etc

anigbrowl 2y ago

I'm not so sure about that https://www.fastcompany.com/91241537/anthem-blue-cross-blue-shield-reverses-course-controversial-anesthesia-policy-backlash https://www.fastcompany.com/91241537/anthem-blue-cross-blue-...

xvector 2y ago

There is not much a police state can do when 1 out of every 3 Americans own guns. > There is nothing to celebrate here. Disagree. This might be the best news in a long time.

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wesselbindt 2y ago
Their incarceration rate is the fifth highest in the world, they have the death penalty, and their surveillance apparatus is infamous. Sure seems like a police state to me. But the population does get to keep the trinkets that make them feel like big boys, I'll give you that.