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I think the real problem is that it's impossible to work as a believer/grinder in any large organisation (e.g. filled with grifters). It's not sustainable to wo

by Aeolun 2y ago

I think the real problem is that it's impossible to work as a believer/grinder in any large organisation (e.g. filled with grifters). It's not sustainable to work as a grinder for a long time in the first place, but it's especially terrible when it's unrewarding.

SpaceManNabs 2y ago
> it's especially terrible when it's unrewarding you just described the angst of every phd student.
- Aeolun 2y ago
  I’ve met a bunch of Phd students that had a pretty rewarding Phd though? It seems to mostly depend on your advisor?
  - lazide 2y ago
    Rewarding while doing it, or rewarding after they got it?
wiseowise 2y ago
Why would someone grifting prevent you from griding?
- bbqfog 2y ago
  Why would you grind when its not rewarded?
- Aeolun 2y ago
  It doesn’t. Grinding is perfectly possible. As long as you want even. But it won’t ever be rewarded. It’s a place dreams go to die.
bbqfog 2y ago
Unless you're a founder, it only makes sense to be a coasting/grifter. Everything else is exploitation/for suckers.
- GuB-42 2y ago
  Being a grinder/grifter makes sense. That's how you climb the corporate ladder. Being a coaster/believer also makes sense, you are essentially trading status for a job you enjoy doing. They are not suckers, they will accept to do more work for less but only if you give them the job they want, otherwise, they won't do it. Grinder/believers are probably the most likely to be exploited, but it doesn't mean they are suckers either. These are the kind of people who have standards, break their standards and you will find yourself with a surprise letter of resignation. If they are an essential element, as they often are, they will be more than happy to see you struggle as they are now working for a company they deem more worthy, they may take a few fellow believers with them too.
- intelVISA 2y ago
  Grinding without ownership? 'tis folly.
- red-iron-pine 2y ago
  can't climb without some hustle the difference is grinding when you're not getting a payoff or gain

by Aeolun 2y ago

SpaceManNabs 2y ago

> it's especially terrible when it's unrewarding you just described the angst of every phd student.

Aeolun 2y ago
I’ve met a bunch of Phd students that had a pretty rewarding Phd though? It seems to mostly depend on your advisor?
- lazide 2y ago
  Rewarding while doing it, or rewarding after they got it?

wiseowise 2y ago

Why would someone grifting prevent you from griding?

bbqfog 2y ago
Why would you grind when its not rewarded?
Aeolun 2y ago
It doesn’t. Grinding is perfectly possible. As long as you want even. But it won’t ever be rewarded. It’s a place dreams go to die.

bbqfog 2y ago

Unless you're a founder, it only makes sense to be a coasting/grifter. Everything else is exploitation/for suckers.

GuB-42 2y ago
Being a grinder/grifter makes sense. That's how you climb the corporate ladder. Being a coaster/believer also makes sense, you are essentially trading status for a job you enjoy doing. They are not suckers, they will accept to do more work for less but only if you give them the job they want, otherwise, they won't do it. Grinder/believers are probably the most likely to be exploited, but it doesn't mean they are suckers either. These are the kind of people who have standards, break their standards and you will find yourself with a surprise letter of resignation. If they are an essential element, as they often are, they will be more than happy to see you struggle as they are now working for a company they deem more worthy, they may take a few fellow believers with them too.
intelVISA 2y ago
Grinding without ownership? 'tis folly.
red-iron-pine 2y ago
can't climb without some hustle the difference is grinding when you're not getting a payoff or gain