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Contribution of childhood lead exposure to psychopathology in the US
- ndsipa_pomu 2y agoTitle taken from a Gizmodo article discussing the study as the study's title itself was too long for Hacker New. https://gizmodo.com/lead-exposure-drove-a-hidden-mental-health-crisis-in-the-u-s-study-reveals-2000533663 https://gizmodo.com/lead-exposure-drove-a-hidden-mental-heal...
- wnevets 2y agoIf you ask me the the lead poisoning stare is real.
- xtracto 2y ago"Lead poisoning stare" takes quite morbid meaning for someone from Mexico like myself haha. After all "plata o plomo".
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- jeffbee 2y agoThe guy who invented leaded gas is the original -10x engineer. Poisoned an entire nation, destroyed the ozone layer, and killed himself with a homemade gizmo. Unprecedented performance.
- rawgabbit 2y agoMoved fast and broke himself.
- nayuki 2y agohttps://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr. , and a video by Veritasium https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV3dnLzthDA https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IV3dnLzthDA (25 min)
- AnimalMuppet 2y agoWhat homemade gizmo killed him? A quick search online said that he died from a stroke.
- alaithea 2y agoIt's in the Wikipedia article. It was a device he invented to help himself get out of bed after having been disabled by polio. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Thomas_Midgley_Jr.
- AnimalMuppet 2y agoAh. I presumed you were talking about Charles Kettering, who also was one of the developers of leaded gasoline (and Freon).
- kridsdale1 2y agoBreakfast time, Grommit!
- dopamean 2y agoThere's a great QAA Podcast episode about it.
- duskwuff 2y agoPerhaps it's for the best that he didn't survive. Given his track record, we probably wouldn't have survived whatever he came up with next.
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- asdff 2y agoJust wait for the follow up study in 70 years on the microplastics and the brake and tire dust. It is amazing how much we’ve disturbed the world and our own population through industrialization. And most of it wasn’t even beneficial to us! Weigh the industrial efforts to build public infrastructure or anything collectively beneficial like medicine against the useless consumer crap product economy that is doomed for a landfill before long and its not even close. Thats the junk that’s backing up the ports and freight railways: not parts for trains or precursors for medicines. And it continues because there’s just too much money to be made for anyone to stop for a second and consider the direction we are heading based on what our actions actually do for this planet. There’s no real leadership on this planet capable of creating actual significant change, only people put in power to preside over the profitable status quo.
- xeromal 2y agoI believe tire dust is about 40% plastics so add that the microplastics bin + the other stuff off of it.
- benterix 2y agoBrake dust is comparable to tyre dust BTW: https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S0269749123008321 https://www.sciencedirect.com/science/article/pii/S026974912...
- ZeroGravitas 2y agoDrum brakes can capture this dust for safe disposal, but are seen as old fashioned and for poor people.
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- PittleyDunkin 2y agoI'm skeptical. There are far too many other parameters we know to be largely unrelated to lead exposure (e.g. Roe v Wade) that are very difficult to control for. There are too many lead sources—even banned ones—that remain in environments. Of course, I don't want to dismiss the study. I just want to dismiss jumping to conclusions and overemphasizing one source of change.
- quickslowdown 2y agoStill? You're still skeptical, after all these decades of research & being able to draw direct, 1:1 lines between lead exposure and the health issues it causes? There's plenty of room for debate on how to fix this problem. The debate on if it's a problem has been dead for decades, if not centuries.
- ndsipa_pomu 2y agoLead poisoning was written about in Roman times, so you could argue that it's millennia of research. (There's a theory that the fall of the Roman empire was due to lead poisoning - likely from lead-lined aqueducts). However, after the Romans, it wasn't picked up again until the 17th century, so quite plausibly "centuries" of research. Of course, it used to be relatively easy to avoid lead poisoning (e.g. not using it for water pipes) until we started to pump lots of it into the air around the 1950s.
- stevenAthompson 2y agoThe Romans didn't need to get it from the water, they directly used it as a flavoring called "sapa." Apparently it was one of the first artificial sweeteners and is actually pretty delicious.
- anyfoo 2y agoNo idea if that's true, but I've heard that's also why the absurd (and terrifying) seeming "children eating paint chips containing lead" is an actual occurrence. Because those lead chips taste sweet.
- hereme888 2y agoConsider this study next time someone says "don't worry, the amount of our chemical in the product is minimal, well below the 'toxic threshhold', and safe to the environment." Novec is the latest one I can recall, now being discontinued due to environmental and health hazards of forever chemicals. One day we'll find out just how toxic the effects of trace pharmaceuticals in the environment, food, and water supply have been.
- guerrilla 2y agoThis leads to a serious epistemic crisis where if we are all rational then we all must endeavor to understand that we know nothing about these things. Think about Wi-Fi. You're now going to have to empathize directly with all the people that don't understand it. Since we can't know everything and we can't trust anyone, we must resign to knowing nothing about any of this in general. Best to err on the side of caution though, since now the chance of something being terrible for us is 50/50.
- hereme888 2y agoI'm not sure I follow you. The history of poorly-vetted (or "biasly-vetted") chemicals and trace pharmaceuticals is long and well established. I'm just advocating to advocate for your own health above trusting corporate statements further refined by a marketing team.
- guerrilla 2y agoI wrote hastily but I said a couple of different things. I meant first that we should not presume to know that the corporate statements are true or false, but at the same time err on the side of caution due to the long and well established track record that you refer to. We can't assume they're dangerous or not dangerous, since we can't really know unless we're an expert in that particular domain, but we won't be experts in all domains relevant to our health, so it makes sense to remain neutrally skeptical while being more risk averse here. Then I was saying that this forces us to empathize with the people who think 5G and Wi-Fi are going to kill them due because they don't understand physics. Their claims are too strong, but their risk aversion due to their ignorance isn't and now we can relate. Do you get what I mean?
- neves 2y agowhat about lead in pipes? Can I detect if there is lead in the water I drink?
- toast0 2y agoIt's easy to determine if pipes are made of lead if you can access the pipes. It's less easy to determine if they have some residual lead from upstream pipes that's settled into the corrosion layer on the inside of the pipe (and could be released later) There are testing services and test strips available for testing your water, which works even if you can't access all the pipes on the way between your source and your sink. A testing service will likely check for a list of contaminants and not simply lead, and most likely have better accuracy and precision than test strips you use yourself.
- euroderf 2y agoI would assume they want you to run hot water, not cold, for samples.
- bottom999mottob 2y agoSediments including lead tend to accumulate at the bottom of water heaters, so you'd be measuring the accumulated lead and not the locality's with this assumption.
- euroderf 2y agoAh, right, okay.
- Terr_ 2y ago> There are testing services and test strips available for testing your water With the caution that some of the cheaper tests (especially through online sales) may be counterfeit or have a bad error-rate.
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- mattigames 2y agoI have a feeling that exposure to harmful particles to the brain (the full spectrum, low to high harm) is heavily correlated with political preferences, among other believes, it would be controversial even before executing it but I think it could give important insights.
- HPsquared 2y agoCity dwellers do tend to lean left, after all. Really though, beware confounding variables.
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- chis 2y agoThere’s sort of no point in discussing this article since the full text is paywalled. The Gizmodo summary seems to suggest that it’s mostly just a meta review plus some extrapolation: they averaged some studies to find the typical effect on mental health and then multiplied it by all the lead exposure in the country. I’ll suggest an interesting article to read instead. I don’t have the expertise to evaluate if it’s true but it is a good depiction of where p-hacking and correlation-causation mixups could lead. https://www.cremieux.xyz/p/who-gets-exposed-to-lead https://www.cremieux.xyz/p/who-gets-exposed-to-lead
- keepamovin 2y agoYeah, many countries around the world face this. Maybe lead sort of acts like Marilyn Monroe: It Amplifies any tendencies of people. Turning up the volume or in AI speak, it turns up the temperature. A leaded society is more chaotic Let’s go fully unleaded for human advancement
- johnny22 2y agohow is that "AI speak"? that's a very normal turn of phrase before "AI".
- keepamovin 2y ago"AI speak" refers to the temperature parameter of models. This meaning is slightly different to the former common usage, and closer than that to what I mean. That's why I chose it! Hahaha :)
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- blueprint 2y agothis may be partly a product of lead’s induced cognitive deficit leading to failure to bond with primary object (usually mom) very early on.