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That is brilliant and beautiful, I just wished that they would not default to English. Sure that’s what you use to talk about particle physics, but this is tar

That is brilliant and beautiful, I just wished that they would not default to English. Sure that’s what you use to talk about particle physics, but this is targeted towards kids and by doing this the “Organisation européenne pour la recherche nucléaire” makes it harder for French, Swiss, German etc. kids to follow. It should not be hard to do a voiceover, at 4h I’d even volunteer.

2143 2y ago
What should they have defaulted to? I mean, wouldn't any language they choose exclude others?
- bowsamic 2y ago
  French would definitely be the more obvious choice in this case
  - mschild 2y ago
    Both English and French are the official working languages of Cern. They should include more languages than just English, but French is not by default the more obvious choice.
    - bowsamic 2y ago
      Right, but there are other reasons why French is more obvious, not just "by default" but based on arguments and reasoning. Or has HN truly forgotten about these things?
      - solveit 2y ago
        The previous poster was actually inviting you to expound on the other reasons.
ppppo 2y ago
I'm sure they have infinite resources and time to make it available in every language ever including braille. But seriously, it's obviously meant to have a wider audience than just those countries you mentioned. Not even mentioning the elephant in the room that they are funded by many other eu countries (~23) that have their own languages as well. What else besides the most international language in the world should they have chosen?
- niemandhier 2y ago
  Adding a language does not exclude another? I completely understand that you do the videos in English and for adult audience that’s great, but for kids below 16 it’s a bit challanging. I just wish that for non English speaking kids there would be more resources in their native languages, especially since mathematical interests and interest in languages rarely are equally strong. The fact that the US has such a large unified one language market really gives them an edge when it comes to creating content. It would be stupid to ask American educators to provide content in language irrelevant in their country; but given that France, Italy and Germany together provide for 40% of cern budget wishing for human made subtitles surly is nothing outrageous.
  - gus_massa 2y ago
    YouTube is doing some auto-dubbing. It detects I'm in Argentina and it shows the autranslated Spanish version. I hate it. It's not bad, a little robotic, but not bad. For kids below 16 ... I agree. My 7 y.o. is studing some English at school and sometimes she watchs cartoons in English, and she aparently understand most of it. But watching technical stuff is more difficult.
  - FredPret 2y ago
    It’s much easier to learn complicated things in one’s native tongue. OTOH, it’s a huge advantage to learn technical English early on. It’s the language of computers, engineering, science, math, business.
  - scionthefly 2y ago
    This is version 1.0. CERN education has a great track record of native language activities and will no doubt expand to other languages assuming this course is successful and useful.
cjfd 2y ago
Well, it says 'pilot version' so maybe there will be a more definitive version later that is available in more languages.
lupire 2y ago
Volunteer accepted! 1. Watch the video with subtitles in your language. 2. Record audio of you reading the subtitles in time with the video. 3. Upload your recording as YouTube video or to an audio hosting website 4. Post a link to your recording, as a comment on YouTube and in a message to the producers Optional: Download the video from YouTube using available tools, and merge your audio track into the video, and re upload it.

2143 2y ago

What should they have defaulted to? I mean, wouldn't any language they choose exclude others?

bowsamic 2y ago
French would definitely be the more obvious choice in this case
- mschild 2y ago
  Both English and French are the official working languages of Cern. They should include more languages than just English, but French is not by default the more obvious choice.
  - bowsamic 2y ago
    Right, but there are other reasons why French is more obvious, not just "by default" but based on arguments and reasoning. Or has HN truly forgotten about these things?
    - solveit 2y ago
      The previous poster was actually inviting you to expound on the other reasons.

ppppo 2y ago

I'm sure they have infinite resources and time to make it available in every language ever including braille. But seriously, it's obviously meant to have a wider audience than just those countries you mentioned. Not even mentioning the elephant in the room that they are funded by many other eu countries (~23) that have their own languages as well. What else besides the most international language in the world should they have chosen?

niemandhier 2y ago
Adding a language does not exclude another? I completely understand that you do the videos in English and for adult audience that’s great, but for kids below 16 it’s a bit challanging. I just wish that for non English speaking kids there would be more resources in their native languages, especially since mathematical interests and interest in languages rarely are equally strong. The fact that the US has such a large unified one language market really gives them an edge when it comes to creating content. It would be stupid to ask American educators to provide content in language irrelevant in their country; but given that France, Italy and Germany together provide for 40% of cern budget wishing for human made subtitles surly is nothing outrageous.
- gus_massa 2y ago
  YouTube is doing some auto-dubbing. It detects I'm in Argentina and it shows the autranslated Spanish version. I hate it. It's not bad, a little robotic, but not bad. For kids below 16 ... I agree. My 7 y.o. is studing some English at school and sometimes she watchs cartoons in English, and she aparently understand most of it. But watching technical stuff is more difficult.
- FredPret 2y ago
  It’s much easier to learn complicated things in one’s native tongue. OTOH, it’s a huge advantage to learn technical English early on. It’s the language of computers, engineering, science, math, business.
- scionthefly 2y ago
  This is version 1.0. CERN education has a great track record of native language activities and will no doubt expand to other languages assuming this course is successful and useful.

cjfd 2y ago

Well, it says 'pilot version' so maybe there will be a more definitive version later that is available in more languages.

lupire 2y ago

Volunteer accepted! 1. Watch the video with subtitles in your language. 2. Record audio of you reading the subtitles in time with the video. 3. Upload your recording as YouTube video or to an audio hosting website 4. Post a link to your recording, as a comment on YouTube and in a message to the producers Optional: Download the video from YouTube using available tools, and merge your audio track into the video, and re upload it.