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Okay. Do you drive? Would you support bounties for ordinary people to enforce parking?

ta1243 2y ago
I suspect they want the roads to be private and then have a major corporation with no accountability issue the charges You can always vote with your wallet and not use that corporation's roads
JumpCrisscross 2y ago
> Would you support bounties for ordinary people to enforce parking? Honestly, why not? Let people take a photo of the offending vehicle, picture of the license plate and VIN number and tag the violation. Submit with a copy of your New York ID, and use that to filter out spam and nonsense reporters. Hell, pay a bounty for submissions that result in the city collecting a fine. (You can deduct bad submissions from said bounties.)
- freejazz 2y ago
  Do you park in NYC? I don't think a single photograph is going to convey sufficient information to make it clear that someone is violating parking rules, many of which are temporal. I think it would also be weird to penalize people for reports that were ultimately un-actionable. Can you point to any government function that has a similar mechanism?
  - loeg 2y ago
    > I don't think a single photograph is going to convey sufficient information Seems like the obvious solution is: multiple photos! > Can you point to any government function that has a similar mechanism? https://www.motortrend.com/news/nyc-idling-fine-citizen-reporting-bounty/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/nyc-idling-fine-citizen-repo...
  - JumpCrisscross 2y ago
    > don't think a single photograph is going to convey sufficient information to make it clear that someone is violating parking rules, many of which are temporal Why does it need to be a single photo? > weird to penalize people for reports that were ultimately un-actionable To the extent I suggested penalties, it's only in reducing bounties payable. That's less a penalty than recognition of costs.
- xkcd-sucks 2y ago
  > Why not [support bounties for ordinary people to enforce parking?] Because that kind of thing leads to a lower-trust society, especially when plausibly motivated by personal financial gain
czinck 2y ago
For what it's worth, that's already a thing in NYC. NYC shares the ticket revenue for illegally idling vehicles with the reporter, and so some people have made 6 figures in one year reporting idling vehicles[1]. There was a push to get a similar provision in a recent bill about illegal parking in bus and bike lanes, but they ended up just allowing citizen complaints with no bounty payout. [1] https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/nyc-anti-idling-law-turns-into-huge-payday-125k-for-one-man-for-citizens-who-report/3637231/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/nyc-anti-idling-la...
- potato3732842 2y ago
  That guy's continued breathing is a testament to how good NYC's surveillance dragnet is or at least how good people think it is. I can't imagine doing what that guy does at the scale he does. Like you can only wrong so many people until you run across the guy for whom you are the final straw. Though I guess that might be why he mostly runs a ring these days instead of being on the street.
  - woodruffw 2y ago
    Nobody is going kill someone for reporting idling trucks. The drivers of these trucks don't care; the company tells them to idle and swallows the fine (typically bartered down in bulk).
    - potato3732842 2y ago
      If you go around doing it you'll make a name for yourself. Couriers, ubers, delivery drivers, they all have social media. Eventually you'll run across the guy who "wrong pedals" you. I wouldn't risk it.
      - woodruffw 2y ago
        The idling law in question is for commercial vehicles, meaning trucks. It has nothing to do with couriers or delivery drivers. (The city has other, unincentivized, idling laws for other classes of vehicles.)

I suspect they want the roads to be private and then have a major corporation with no accountability issue the charges You can always vote with your wallet and not use that corporation's roads

JumpCrisscross 2y ago

> Would you support bounties for ordinary people to enforce parking? Honestly, why not? Let people take a photo of the offending vehicle, picture of the license plate and VIN number and tag the violation. Submit with a copy of your New York ID, and use that to filter out spam and nonsense reporters. Hell, pay a bounty for submissions that result in the city collecting a fine. (You can deduct bad submissions from said bounties.)

freejazz 2y ago
Do you park in NYC? I don't think a single photograph is going to convey sufficient information to make it clear that someone is violating parking rules, many of which are temporal. I think it would also be weird to penalize people for reports that were ultimately un-actionable. Can you point to any government function that has a similar mechanism?
- loeg 2y ago
  > I don't think a single photograph is going to convey sufficient information Seems like the obvious solution is: multiple photos! > Can you point to any government function that has a similar mechanism? https://www.motortrend.com/news/nyc-idling-fine-citizen-reporting-bounty/ https://www.motortrend.com/news/nyc-idling-fine-citizen-repo...
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago
  > don't think a single photograph is going to convey sufficient information to make it clear that someone is violating parking rules, many of which are temporal Why does it need to be a single photo? > weird to penalize people for reports that were ultimately un-actionable To the extent I suggested penalties, it's only in reducing bounties payable. That's less a penalty than recognition of costs.
xkcd-sucks 2y ago
> Why not [support bounties for ordinary people to enforce parking?] Because that kind of thing leads to a lower-trust society, especially when plausibly motivated by personal financial gain

czinck 2y ago

For what it's worth, that's already a thing in NYC. NYC shares the ticket revenue for illegally idling vehicles with the reporter, and so some people have made 6 figures in one year reporting idling vehicles[1]. There was a push to get a similar provision in a recent bill about illegal parking in bus and bike lanes, but they ended up just allowing citizen complaints with no bounty payout. [1] https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/nyc-anti-idling-law-turns-into-huge-payday-125k-for-one-man-for-citizens-who-report/3637231/ https://www.nbcnewyork.com/investigations/nyc-anti-idling-la...

potato3732842 2y ago
That guy's continued breathing is a testament to how good NYC's surveillance dragnet is or at least how good people think it is. I can't imagine doing what that guy does at the scale he does. Like you can only wrong so many people until you run across the guy for whom you are the final straw. Though I guess that might be why he mostly runs a ring these days instead of being on the street.
- woodruffw 2y ago
  Nobody is going kill someone for reporting idling trucks. The drivers of these trucks don't care; the company tells them to idle and swallows the fine (typically bartered down in bulk).
  - potato3732842 2y ago
    If you go around doing it you'll make a name for yourself. Couriers, ubers, delivery drivers, they all have social media. Eventually you'll run across the guy who "wrong pedals" you. I wouldn't risk it.
    - woodruffw 2y ago
      The idling law in question is for commercial vehicles, meaning trucks. It has nothing to do with couriers or delivery drivers. (The city has other, unincentivized, idling laws for other classes of vehicles.)