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Christopher discusses this problem in architecture too. [~45 minutes in](https://youtube.com/watch?v=98LdFA-_zfA&t=2593s&pp=ygUhY2hyaXN0b3BoZXIgYWxleGFuZGVyIHB
by zenoprax 2y ago
Christopher discusses this problem in architecture too.
[~45 minutes in](https://youtube.com/watch?v=98LdFA-_zfA&t=2593s&pp=ygUhY2hyaXN0b3BoZXIgYWxleGFuZGVyIHByb2dyYW1taW5n https://youtube.com/watch?v=98LdFA-_zfA&t=2593s&pp=ygUhY2hya...) he talks about how to change law, institutional norms, and so on to make it possible for living structures to emerge.
I don't know what that would look like for software but in another talk he was bemused by the narrow-mindedness of programmers who only saw the value of A Pattern Language as a mechanical tool rather than as a way to create a more beautiful world.
- nradov 2y agoBeauty is a nice luxury but most customers won't pay for beauty. Or they disagree on what it means.
- zenoprax 2y agoI agree. Architecture != Engineering It's easy for the common person to see and appreciate a beautiful city/building/room so a market for "beauty" is possible. I don't think computer software will be ubiquitous enough to achieve that; beauty is possible, just not pursued.