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You're living in a different reality if you think taking the high ground is a winning strategy after watching the lies and insane conspiracies spread by MAGA fo

You're living in a different reality if you think taking the high ground is a winning strategy after watching the lies and insane conspiracies spread by MAGA for the past four years. Trump won the election. It's clear that campaigning on policy is not enough.

rvz 2y ago
That doesn't pass as an excuse to lie to the people because Trump or someone else is also doing it. We have fact checkers for this regardless. The Democrats campaigned on being the better party, a new clean slate and to move on and persuaded voters to not vote for the convicted felon (Trump). Yet he still won the election. My point is Biden should have just told the press that he will pardon his son, instead of repeatedly saying that he would not and then goes and does it anyway. Is it fair to say that he lied to everyone and also what else are they lying to us about?
- hypeatei 2y ago
  Sure, he lied. We're splitting hairs over something that was, in all reality, a targeted political attack on someone because their dad got elected. I would encourage you to read the press release. Hunter Biden got charged for something that almost no one else does (filling out a gun form incorrectly) There is no reason to invest this much effort into something so miniscule. It pales in comparison to the dangerous lies and behavior exhibited by MAGA (see: January 6th)
  - thunky 2y ago
    > got charged for something that almost no one else does (filling out a gun form incorrectly) Do you also feel that Trump's 34 felony convictions for filling out a form incorrectly were standard treatment? Also considering that this was after the normal statute of limitations expired and during the heat of a presidential campaign. Seems hypocritical to agree or disagree with one but not the other.
    - hypeatei 2y ago
      That waters down the felony convictions and what they were related to. Trump paid off a pornstar and tried to hide it in his financials so his election chances weren't affected. One is related to running for President of the United States and the other is someone who has a drug addiction and who isn't running for any sort of office.
      - thunky 2y ago
        > That waters down the felony convictions and what they were related to. I don't think that's how it works. He wasn't charged with election interference or for violating campaign laws. But, given your take here, I assume you must feel that Hilary Clinton should have faced potential jail time when she failed to fill out a form and interfered with her opposition's presidential campaign: https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-fusion-gps/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-d... And you must also feel that she and Biden should have both faced charges and potential jail time for their mishandling of classified data. But, no charges for them, and 40 felony charges for Trump for mishandling classified documents.
        hypeatei 2y ago
        You're misinformed on everything you mentioned. Trump was convicted in the "hush money" case. His classified documents case was thrown out by a federal judge who has questionable ethics and she was also appointed by Trump himself. Biden worked with the office that handles classified documents to return them. Trump and his legal team were hiding them and didn't respond to inquiries leading to the FBI raid. Hillary I'll give to you because she shoud've faced consequences for the behavior involved in the email scandal. Using bleach bit on hard drives to hide evidence is criminal IMO.
        thunky 2y ago
        > You're misinformed on everything you mentioned. Trump was convicted in the "hush money" case. His classified documents case was thrown out by a federal judge who has questionable ethics and she was also appointed by Trump himself. Exactly how am I misinformed? I never said he was convicted in the classified documents case, I said that he faced 40 felony charges for it and potential jail time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago_classified_documents_prosecution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago_classified_document... The grand jury indictment brought 40 felony counts against Trump related to his alleged mishandling of classified documents > Biden worked with the office that handles classified documents to return them. Trump and his legal team were hiding them and didn't respond to inquiries leading to the FBI raid. I know, and I figured you say this because this is how you're able to contort the facts to justify your world view, but Biden still did mishandle classified documents intentionally and he wasn't charged for it. And just because he gave them back when they asked doesn't reverse that fact. Remember, he wasn't let off the hook because he was innocent. By the way, I have no dog in this fight. I dislike them all equally. I just find it frustrating that people can so easily jump through hoops to "explain" how their team's wrongdoings are ok but refuse to apply the same logic when the call is against the other team. And that normally comes with claims of "misinformation", just like you're accusing me of here.
honeybadger1 2y ago
Kamala never talked about policy, that's exactly why she lost.
- hypeatei 2y ago
  No, she lost because it was clear people were voting based on perception and not facts or stats. Inflation has gone down and the economy is relatively good. Yes, the cumulative effect of inflation won't go away but the rate has slowed down. Now try explaining that to the voting population and see what kind of blank stares or angered responses you get. BUT PRICES ARE HIGH!!
bluecalm 2y ago
But Democrats didn't campaign on policy. Watch any interview with Kamala and you will struggle to fish out anything specific on any issue. Watch interviews with Trump and he speaks clearly and specifically on most issues. You can disagree with him or find his views abhorrent, unrealistic, wishful thinking or whatever but he campaigned on clear policies while Kamala's strategy was to never answer any question nor take any concrete position.
- hypeatei 2y ago
  You lost me at "he speaks clearly and specifically on most issues", but I can agree at him being in the spotlight more. Any interview I watch on a podcast or a speech of his is hard to watch. Tons of rambling and vague answers or complete dodging. It was only clear to me recently he was serious about Tariffs. From my perspective, Dems campaigned on reducing inflation (which they've done) and policies like the child tax credit or first time home buyer credit. Not that I necessarily agree with the last two, but...
  - permo-w 2y ago
    practically any person in the West, never mind just America, can name at least 2 Trump policies. is that true for Kamala? was it for Biden? the Democrats' platform is essentially "we're the good guys, don't vote for the bad man", plus some boring, centre-right drivel that may well help people, but excites precisely no one. the Democrats need big, memorable ideas that will get people excited, and to supplement that with practical economic policy and abortion protections. they need to quit being pragmatic with their goals. Trump shoots for the stars. he isn't restricted by logic or realism. people like those policies, remember them, and it gives him a strong negotiating position.
    - hypeatei 2y ago
      Most Republican voters in a blind poll supported more of Kamala's policies than Trump's. It's pure "vibes" when it comes to voting. No research on policy platforms. We need to acknowledge that half of the voter base are unserious people treating this like a sports match rather than an election which has real consequences on people's lives.

rvz 2y ago

That doesn't pass as an excuse to lie to the people because Trump or someone else is also doing it. We have fact checkers for this regardless. The Democrats campaigned on being the better party, a new clean slate and to move on and persuaded voters to not vote for the convicted felon (Trump). Yet he still won the election. My point is Biden should have just told the press that he will pardon his son, instead of repeatedly saying that he would not and then goes and does it anyway. Is it fair to say that he lied to everyone and also what else are they lying to us about?

hypeatei 2y ago
Sure, he lied. We're splitting hairs over something that was, in all reality, a targeted political attack on someone because their dad got elected. I would encourage you to read the press release. Hunter Biden got charged for something that almost no one else does (filling out a gun form incorrectly) There is no reason to invest this much effort into something so miniscule. It pales in comparison to the dangerous lies and behavior exhibited by MAGA (see: January 6th)
- thunky 2y ago
  > got charged for something that almost no one else does (filling out a gun form incorrectly) Do you also feel that Trump's 34 felony convictions for filling out a form incorrectly were standard treatment? Also considering that this was after the normal statute of limitations expired and during the heat of a presidential campaign. Seems hypocritical to agree or disagree with one but not the other.
  - hypeatei 2y ago
    That waters down the felony convictions and what they were related to. Trump paid off a pornstar and tried to hide it in his financials so his election chances weren't affected. One is related to running for President of the United States and the other is someone who has a drug addiction and who isn't running for any sort of office.
    - thunky 2y ago
      > That waters down the felony convictions and what they were related to. I don't think that's how it works. He wasn't charged with election interference or for violating campaign laws. But, given your take here, I assume you must feel that Hilary Clinton should have faced potential jail time when she failed to fill out a form and interfered with her opposition's presidential campaign: https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-dossier-fusion-gps/index.html https://www.cnn.com/2022/03/30/politics/clinton-dnc-steele-d... And you must also feel that she and Biden should have both faced charges and potential jail time for their mishandling of classified data. But, no charges for them, and 40 felony charges for Trump for mishandling classified documents.
      - hypeatei 2y ago
        You're misinformed on everything you mentioned. Trump was convicted in the "hush money" case. His classified documents case was thrown out by a federal judge who has questionable ethics and she was also appointed by Trump himself. Biden worked with the office that handles classified documents to return them. Trump and his legal team were hiding them and didn't respond to inquiries leading to the FBI raid. Hillary I'll give to you because she shoud've faced consequences for the behavior involved in the email scandal. Using bleach bit on hard drives to hide evidence is criminal IMO.
        thunky 2y ago
        > You're misinformed on everything you mentioned. Trump was convicted in the "hush money" case. His classified documents case was thrown out by a federal judge who has questionable ethics and she was also appointed by Trump himself. Exactly how am I misinformed? I never said he was convicted in the classified documents case, I said that he faced 40 felony charges for it and potential jail time: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago_classified_documents_prosecution https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mar-a-Lago_classified_document... The grand jury indictment brought 40 felony counts against Trump related to his alleged mishandling of classified documents > Biden worked with the office that handles classified documents to return them. Trump and his legal team were hiding them and didn't respond to inquiries leading to the FBI raid. I know, and I figured you say this because this is how you're able to contort the facts to justify your world view, but Biden still did mishandle classified documents intentionally and he wasn't charged for it. And just because he gave them back when they asked doesn't reverse that fact. Remember, he wasn't let off the hook because he was innocent. By the way, I have no dog in this fight. I dislike them all equally. I just find it frustrating that people can so easily jump through hoops to "explain" how their team's wrongdoings are ok but refuse to apply the same logic when the call is against the other team. And that normally comes with claims of "misinformation", just like you're accusing me of here.

honeybadger1 2y ago

Kamala never talked about policy, that's exactly why she lost.

hypeatei 2y ago
No, she lost because it was clear people were voting based on perception and not facts or stats. Inflation has gone down and the economy is relatively good. Yes, the cumulative effect of inflation won't go away but the rate has slowed down. Now try explaining that to the voting population and see what kind of blank stares or angered responses you get. BUT PRICES ARE HIGH!!

bluecalm 2y ago

But Democrats didn't campaign on policy. Watch any interview with Kamala and you will struggle to fish out anything specific on any issue. Watch interviews with Trump and he speaks clearly and specifically on most issues. You can disagree with him or find his views abhorrent, unrealistic, wishful thinking or whatever but he campaigned on clear policies while Kamala's strategy was to never answer any question nor take any concrete position.

hypeatei 2y ago
You lost me at "he speaks clearly and specifically on most issues", but I can agree at him being in the spotlight more. Any interview I watch on a podcast or a speech of his is hard to watch. Tons of rambling and vague answers or complete dodging. It was only clear to me recently he was serious about Tariffs. From my perspective, Dems campaigned on reducing inflation (which they've done) and policies like the child tax credit or first time home buyer credit. Not that I necessarily agree with the last two, but...
- permo-w 2y ago
  practically any person in the West, never mind just America, can name at least 2 Trump policies. is that true for Kamala? was it for Biden? the Democrats' platform is essentially "we're the good guys, don't vote for the bad man", plus some boring, centre-right drivel that may well help people, but excites precisely no one. the Democrats need big, memorable ideas that will get people excited, and to supplement that with practical economic policy and abortion protections. they need to quit being pragmatic with their goals. Trump shoots for the stars. he isn't restricted by logic or realism. people like those policies, remember them, and it gives him a strong negotiating position.
  - hypeatei 2y ago
    Most Republican voters in a blind poll supported more of Kamala's policies than Trump's. It's pure "vibes" when it comes to voting. No research on policy platforms. We need to acknowledge that half of the voter base are unserious people treating this like a sports match rather than an election which has real consequences on people's lives.