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I assume they mean take emergency corrective action when an issue arise like google with Waymo, and the general thing will still be sorta kinda self driving lik
by nolok 2y ago
I assume they mean take emergency corrective action when an issue arise like google with Waymo, and the general thing will still be sorta kinda self driving like tesla does (which is not like waymo, but still better than nothing) ? Because being a network latency event away from a car crash doesn't inspire me much confidence, and I don't have to sit in one of those to be affected, just to be on the same road.
- JumpCrisscross 2y ago> assume they mean take emergency corrective action when an issue arise like google with Waymo, and the general thing will still be sorta kinda self driving like tesla does Having taken Waymos and put my parents' Tesla in FSD, I wouldn't assume as much. Tesla's FSD makes mistakes more frequently, and they're bad ones, in part due to its willingness to aggressively accelerate when it thinks the road is clear.
- simonjgreen 2y agoI would describe the difference as: Waymo drives like a limo driver, carefully and smoothly, and tries to disappear for the passengers in the back seat. Tesla FSD drives like a car owner might, and tries to make the person in the front seat feel like the behaviour of their car is the same as they would do it.
- ticklemyelmo 2y agoI rode in a Waymo for the first time last week. The highest praise I can give it is that it's boring. It drives like a careful human with zero surprises.
- llamaimperative 2y agoYeah it’s hilarious (frightening) when Tesla cultists say that the surprise in FSD’s behavior makes it exciting. That attitude is why people who share the roads are tired of Tesla’s and their loyalists’ constant excuses for this stuff.
- raverbashing 2y agoHumm I wonder if there's some truth to that, some kind of pattern matching, like "at this stretch of the road usual behaviour was: speed X mph, turning at this and this points, etc"
- tzs 2y agoThe more important difference is that Waymo's FSD system is SAE level 4. The Tesla FSD system that is in their cars that people can currently buy is level 2. The difference is that the former only needs human help in rare circumstances. The latter needs human help in common circumstances. If you base you robot taxi on a level 4 system you just need humans on standby to respond when the car knows it needs help and asks for it. If you base it on a level 2 system you need humans monitoring during routine trips to be ready to intervene when the car is about to do something stupid and has no idea that it is out of its league.
- grecy 2y agoAnd FSD is improving everyday. The only question is when will it be good enough to run a system similar to Waymo where a remote operate an help if it gets stuck, and then when will it be good enough to not need that and be full autonomous. Place your bet.
- llamaimperative 2y ago2018!
- grecy 2y agoThe people who placed that bet are something like 500x their money, so I’m sure they’re happy!
- llamaimperative 2y agoHuh? "Fuck the customers, shareholders are happy!" So odd.
- IshKebab 2y agoProbably never unless they get off their high horses about lidar.
- Traubenfuchs 2y agoNetwork latency is no issue when operators control cars in LLM style: „Slowly drive around on the left of the obstacle on the right, accept crossing the opposing traffic barrier line if you are sure you will be back on your side after you drove around the obstacle.“
- kaptainscarlet 2y agoWhat happens in the event that the LLM starts halucinating and driving at 100mph in the oncoming lane?