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I can only imagine how much worse they'll make the captcha after stuff like this picks up speed with the users all the while being ineffective against the bots.

rany_ 2y ago
I really doubt that they're the first to do this.
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cchance 2y ago
I mean at some point ... the average visitor is dumber than the AI and your now just blocking dumb people
- OmarShehata 2y ago
  yes, we're creating websites that are gated by IQ tests. This isn't the way
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  - hsbauauvhabzb 2y ago
    I’d like to believe I have at least an average IQ and I can’t pass half the google captchas. Whether or not a square is part of the motorbike when it’s either the rider or a few pixels of the wheel is subjective and fuzzy. Fuck google for not making these questions clear cut enough that answers aren’t disputable.
- djbusby 2y ago
  *you're
OmarShehata 2y ago
captchas are broken, forever. There is no way to prevent bots without also preventing a bottom tier of human users (visually impaired people, old people, or just impatient people). Like this xkcd [1] comic suggests, we need to just focus on rewarding and punishing specific behavior, regardless of whether the agent is human or not [1] https://xkcd.com/810/ https://xkcd.com/810/
- echelon 2y ago
  I think a better approach is to make account creation frictionful (eg. charge money, set karma thresholds, require an invite, etc.), score each account, and ban or time out accounts when they break community rules. But an even better approach would be to go fully P2P and leave the scoring and ranking and filtering at the end nodes, with the possibility of friendly networks of interest group peers assisting with the task. BitTorrent for social media, pgp signed accounts, fully flexible annotation and ingestion. It's also less subject to cabal-based censorship.
- shortrounddev2 2y ago
  Jokes aside, we don't want any bots at all. Even if they're posting constructive comments, we should interact with humans, not machines
  - hsbauauvhabzb 2y ago
    That doesn’t mean that webcrawlers have no legitimate value (think: search indexers) or illegitimate value (think: intellectual property theft via data scraping for AI purposes), and bots which communicate while they have no place, aren’t going to go away.
  - Philpax 2y ago
    In the interest of provoking discussion: why? If a bot can meaningfully pass and act as a productive member of the community, what does it matter?
    - matheusmoreira 2y ago

rany_ 2y ago

I really doubt that they're the first to do this.

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cchance 2y ago

I mean at some point ... the average visitor is dumber than the AI and your now just blocking dumb people

OmarShehata 2y ago
yes, we're creating websites that are gated by IQ tests. This isn't the way
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- hsbauauvhabzb 2y ago
  I’d like to believe I have at least an average IQ and I can’t pass half the google captchas. Whether or not a square is part of the motorbike when it’s either the rider or a few pixels of the wheel is subjective and fuzzy. Fuck google for not making these questions clear cut enough that answers aren’t disputable.
djbusby 2y ago
*you're

OmarShehata 2y ago

captchas are broken, forever. There is no way to prevent bots without also preventing a bottom tier of human users (visually impaired people, old people, or just impatient people). Like this xkcd [1] comic suggests, we need to just focus on rewarding and punishing specific behavior, regardless of whether the agent is human or not [1] https://xkcd.com/810/ https://xkcd.com/810/

echelon 2y ago
I think a better approach is to make account creation frictionful (eg. charge money, set karma thresholds, require an invite, etc.), score each account, and ban or time out accounts when they break community rules. But an even better approach would be to go fully P2P and leave the scoring and ranking and filtering at the end nodes, with the possibility of friendly networks of interest group peers assisting with the task. BitTorrent for social media, pgp signed accounts, fully flexible annotation and ingestion. It's also less subject to cabal-based censorship.
shortrounddev2 2y ago
Jokes aside, we don't want any bots at all. Even if they're posting constructive comments, we should interact with humans, not machines
- hsbauauvhabzb 2y ago
  That doesn’t mean that webcrawlers have no legitimate value (think: search indexers) or illegitimate value (think: intellectual property theft via data scraping for AI purposes), and bots which communicate while they have no place, aren’t going to go away.
- Philpax 2y ago
  In the interest of provoking discussion: why? If a bot can meaningfully pass and act as a productive member of the community, what does it matter?
  - matheusmoreira 2y ago