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The government can't do that to you. You do realise that, right?

wakawaka28 2y ago
Why do you think they can't do it? The government can always just say, "We aren't treating your diseases anymore. We will put you out of your misery whenever you like however."
- kranke155 2y ago
  In a democracy, you vote for the other guy. Do you live in a democracy? This poll showed widespread support for MAID in the UK. https://www.dignityindying.org.uk/assisted-dying/public-opinion/ https://www.dignityindying.org.uk/assisted-dying/public-opin... Every single constituency supports law change: Three-quarters of respondents (75%) said that they would support making it lawful for someone to seek assisted dying in the UK, with just 14% against Support for changing the law consistently high regardless of voters’ political affiliation Two-thirds (66%) of respondents with faith support law change, including 69% of Christians
  - wakawaka28 2y ago
    Yes most people are against war too yet you don't see people voting their way out of that now do you? If assisted dying is on the table, it won't be long before prescribed dying is too. I am not as hopeful as you that normal political processes will prevent that, but one can dream.
    - nradov 2y ago
      Which war are you referring to? Some wars are popular, others not. During the 2020 US presidential election campaign, Joe Biden promised to end the war in Afghanistan and after he took office he did it. In a democracy, voters absolutely do influence these policies.
      - wakawaka28 2y ago
        The war in Afghanistan was already slated to end but Biden screwed up the withdrawal leaving the Taliban with about $80 billion in high-tech weapons. He also got us into something even worse in Ukraine and supports a bunch of war in the Middle East. Is this all his fault? I don't think he is the one making decisions. But he certainly hasn't been an anti-war president. He wasn't suddenly elected because of Afghanistan either after 20 years of our involvement. He was mostly elected because people expected he would end covid lockdowns or somehow end the pandemic, and things only got worse under his leadership.
    - kranke155 2y ago
      You don’t seem to have any hope at all. The stuff you’re talking about is wildly dystopian, and hopefully would just be rejected in any meaningful democracy. You want to know what prescribed dying looks like? Look at any autocracy, see their political prisoners dying in jail or by execution. If the majority of a population want reasonable MAID rights, then it’s within their democratic right to get it. The rejection of this is autocracy by ignoring the popular will.
      - wakawaka28 2y ago
        I'm saying that there isn't much space between assisted dying and prescribed dying. People will be diagnosed with mental issues and encouraged to kill themselves. If you're a political troublemaker then that will definitely happen. I might be a pessimist but I don't think I'm wrong. Everything tends to be abused, especially when it involves government. So be careful what you wish for and watch for tyranny at every turn.
        kranke155 2y ago
        There is a huge amount of space. It’s the space between sanity and psychosis.
slt2021 2y ago
They tell explicitly that https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3947481 https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3947481
EncomLab 2y ago
The government does not have to - like I said this is just a marketing campaign. What is to stop the introduction of "lower cost" insurance tiers if you opt in to a "limited care" plan that would allow you to be terminated instead of treated if the treatment cost is above a threshold value? What happens when people are convinced that seeking care = being selfish, or when the elderly are seen entirely as burdens on society even if they are not sick but using social welfare programs? If you think this is crazy talk I honestly don't believe you are aware of the evils well-intentioned people are capable of committing.

Why do you think they can't do it? The government can always just say, "We aren't treating your diseases anymore. We will put you out of your misery whenever you like however."

kranke155 2y ago
In a democracy, you vote for the other guy. Do you live in a democracy? This poll showed widespread support for MAID in the UK. https://www.dignityindying.org.uk/assisted-dying/public-opinion/ https://www.dignityindying.org.uk/assisted-dying/public-opin... Every single constituency supports law change: Three-quarters of respondents (75%) said that they would support making it lawful for someone to seek assisted dying in the UK, with just 14% against Support for changing the law consistently high regardless of voters’ political affiliation Two-thirds (66%) of respondents with faith support law change, including 69% of Christians
- wakawaka28 2y ago
  Yes most people are against war too yet you don't see people voting their way out of that now do you? If assisted dying is on the table, it won't be long before prescribed dying is too. I am not as hopeful as you that normal political processes will prevent that, but one can dream.
  - nradov 2y ago
    Which war are you referring to? Some wars are popular, others not. During the 2020 US presidential election campaign, Joe Biden promised to end the war in Afghanistan and after he took office he did it. In a democracy, voters absolutely do influence these policies.
    - wakawaka28 2y ago
      The war in Afghanistan was already slated to end but Biden screwed up the withdrawal leaving the Taliban with about $80 billion in high-tech weapons. He also got us into something even worse in Ukraine and supports a bunch of war in the Middle East. Is this all his fault? I don't think he is the one making decisions. But he certainly hasn't been an anti-war president. He wasn't suddenly elected because of Afghanistan either after 20 years of our involvement. He was mostly elected because people expected he would end covid lockdowns or somehow end the pandemic, and things only got worse under his leadership.
  - kranke155 2y ago
    You don’t seem to have any hope at all. The stuff you’re talking about is wildly dystopian, and hopefully would just be rejected in any meaningful democracy. You want to know what prescribed dying looks like? Look at any autocracy, see their political prisoners dying in jail or by execution. If the majority of a population want reasonable MAID rights, then it’s within their democratic right to get it. The rejection of this is autocracy by ignoring the popular will.
    - wakawaka28 2y ago
      I'm saying that there isn't much space between assisted dying and prescribed dying. People will be diagnosed with mental issues and encouraged to kill themselves. If you're a political troublemaker then that will definitely happen. I might be a pessimist but I don't think I'm wrong. Everything tends to be abused, especially when it involves government. So be careful what you wish for and watch for tyranny at every turn.
      - kranke155 2y ago
        There is a huge amount of space. It’s the space between sanity and psychosis.

slt2021 2y ago

They tell explicitly that https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3947481 https://www.cbc.ca/amp/1.3947481

EncomLab 2y ago

The government does not have to - like I said this is just a marketing campaign. What is to stop the introduction of "lower cost" insurance tiers if you opt in to a "limited care" plan that would allow you to be terminated instead of treated if the treatment cost is above a threshold value? What happens when people are convinced that seeking care = being selfish, or when the elderly are seen entirely as burdens on society even if they are not sick but using social welfare programs? If you think this is crazy talk I honestly don't believe you are aware of the evils well-intentioned people are capable of committing.