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I'm as anarhist as any other wanna be erlang developer, but it's odd to see Trump mentioned in the context of taming Leviathan, when he promises to use military

I'm as anarhist as any other wanna be erlang developer, but it's odd to see Trump mentioned in the context of taming Leviathan, when he promises to use military to deport millions of people out of the country under martial law kind of regime. I guess one persons libertarian hero is another persons statist opressor. I would not care less if not the military to use for taming the Leviathan wasn't biggest in the world and literally is in the business of exporting money for the whole world to use.

rayiner 2y ago
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- orwin 2y ago
  > virtually all Africans [...] have a fundamentally paternalistic view of the state Yeah, no, clearly not. Go in Western Sahara, visit touaregs, ask them about states and what they think of them. Go in eastern Africa, talk to them about libertarianism (Kenya, Zambia, Mozambique). In Ethiopia, you'll probably find the highest concentration of libertarians in the world, they call themselves "Horn Anarchists" i think. Maybe what you're saying is true for colonized Africa, or at least for the part of africa that was left in power once Europeans left, but you just have to look at what is happening in south Congo to understand that some states in Africa are so weak they might as well dont exist. And most state have communes that escape them, due to tribal identity (you've heard of native Mexican tribes that oppose and resist Cartels since the 80s? think how it would go for weaker organization like some African states to go after them. Yeah, not well.). Africa is huge man, i'm pretty sure i have a different view of it than you since the only African i know are from anarchist/libertarian orgs, and that's a _very_ limiting lens.
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  - rayiner 2y ago
    That’s a fair point, but what percentage of the population of Africa does that encompass? Where I’m from, the people have been under the boot of empires for 2,000 years. I’m sure there are plenty of individual Asians who are libertarians. But any system that allowed free immigration from Asia would import a population where 99% are going to be statists. To juxtapose my experience with yours: I don’t hang out in libertarian organizations. But I am Asian and know lots of Asians, and I know a fair number of Africans and middle easterners because of my dad’s social circle in international development. I know zero libertarians who aren’t of European or African American descent.
- tptacek 2y ago
  virtually all Africans, middle easterners, and Asians have a fundamentally paternalistic view Don't write things like this here. You have a Twitter TL for this.
  - rayiner 2y ago
    My comment was relevant to the article and the post to which I was responding. If you want to interpret the rules to preclude any generalizations about people from different cultures when talking about those people as a group, then you should ban any discussion of immigration. Because any discussion of immigration that requires pretending groups of people are culturally fungible is simply misinformation--ignorant people talking to each other based on shared ignorant assumptions.
    - tptacek 2y ago
      That's not what you said, and I'm not interested in having a debate about what was playing inside your head when you wrote it; as you well know, we're responsible for the impact our comments have on the threads, and this was obviously a provocation. I'm not the boss of this place; you can just mail hn@ycombinator.com if you'd like to propose a new guideline about "discussion of immigration".
      - rayiner 2y ago
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        philodeon 2y ago
        Diversity is about enjoying the benefits of a team filled with different perspectives. Discussing how those perspectives might vary is very, very prohibited.
      - philodeon 2y ago
        “Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assaults of thoughts on the unthinking.” —-John Maynard Keynes
Xunjin 2y ago
What the F did I just read?!

rayiner 2y ago

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orwin 2y ago
> virtually all Africans [...] have a fundamentally paternalistic view of the state Yeah, no, clearly not. Go in Western Sahara, visit touaregs, ask them about states and what they think of them. Go in eastern Africa, talk to them about libertarianism (Kenya, Zambia, Mozambique). In Ethiopia, you'll probably find the highest concentration of libertarians in the world, they call themselves "Horn Anarchists" i think. Maybe what you're saying is true for colonized Africa, or at least for the part of africa that was left in power once Europeans left, but you just have to look at what is happening in south Congo to understand that some states in Africa are so weak they might as well dont exist. And most state have communes that escape them, due to tribal identity (you've heard of native Mexican tribes that oppose and resist Cartels since the 80s? think how it would go for weaker organization like some African states to go after them. Yeah, not well.). Africa is huge man, i'm pretty sure i have a different view of it than you since the only African i know are from anarchist/libertarian orgs, and that's a _very_ limiting lens.
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- rayiner 2y ago
  That’s a fair point, but what percentage of the population of Africa does that encompass? Where I’m from, the people have been under the boot of empires for 2,000 years. I’m sure there are plenty of individual Asians who are libertarians. But any system that allowed free immigration from Asia would import a population where 99% are going to be statists. To juxtapose my experience with yours: I don’t hang out in libertarian organizations. But I am Asian and know lots of Asians, and I know a fair number of Africans and middle easterners because of my dad’s social circle in international development. I know zero libertarians who aren’t of European or African American descent.
tptacek 2y ago
virtually all Africans, middle easterners, and Asians have a fundamentally paternalistic view Don't write things like this here. You have a Twitter TL for this.
- rayiner 2y ago
  My comment was relevant to the article and the post to which I was responding. If you want to interpret the rules to preclude any generalizations about people from different cultures when talking about those people as a group, then you should ban any discussion of immigration. Because any discussion of immigration that requires pretending groups of people are culturally fungible is simply misinformation--ignorant people talking to each other based on shared ignorant assumptions.
  - tptacek 2y ago
    That's not what you said, and I'm not interested in having a debate about what was playing inside your head when you wrote it; as you well know, we're responsible for the impact our comments have on the threads, and this was obviously a provocation. I'm not the boss of this place; you can just mail hn@ycombinator.com if you'd like to propose a new guideline about "discussion of immigration".
    - rayiner 2y ago
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      - philodeon 2y ago
        Diversity is about enjoying the benefits of a team filled with different perspectives. Discussing how those perspectives might vary is very, very prohibited.
    - philodeon 2y ago
      “Words ought to be a little wild, for they are the assaults of thoughts on the unthinking.” —-John Maynard Keynes

Xunjin 2y ago

What the F did I just read?!