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I don't disagree, but once again "French theory" takes a bullet for things they did not write or said. Or at least, postmodernism is equated with French theory

by orwin 2y ago

I don't disagree, but once again "French theory" takes a bullet for things they did not write or said. Or at least, postmodernism is equated with French theory when few French author actually wrote anything about those subjects. I understand the criticism of most of Postmodernism, because they reject Marx historical materialism, because a part of it is new-age trash and unactionable, and its authors were grandiloquent, pretentious shit (even the one i like the most, Baudrillard, seems to be an insufferable human being), but the simple act of rejecting meta-narratives is such an interesting idea, it posit that all action (or social struggle) as necessarily local, limited, and partial, but nonetheless effective. A moto of postmodernism would be "act locally, and don't worry about any grand plan, even if those exist, they won't work".

swed420 2y ago
I can't comment of the french theory part, and navel gazers are always going to exist. It's unfortunate (but not surprising) that Marxism was intentionally hijacked by agents of capital at the expense of humanity as the link point out.
- Der_Einzige 2y ago
  The extreme recoiling and rejection of the clearly obvious idea that most left-wing movements were hilariously co-opted by the IC circa the 60s (likely continuing now) and that critical theory specifically is co-opted, is evidence of it happening. We've both posted multiple articles showing evidence of this, but folks in this thread get big mad when you bring this up. Btw, if you want a rejection of meta-narratives without fashionable nonsense, go read STIRNER https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ego_and_Its_Own https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ego_and_Its_Own https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Stirner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Stirner
  - cempaka 2y ago
    I think one hangup for a lot of people here is that they picture the mechanics as having to be something like "the CIA groomed Frankfurt School writers as witting agents from birth" when in reality, it's more like these guys were just selected from the huge menu of takes vendors as having the correctly calibrated mix of left wing appeal and non- or anti-revolutionary compatibility.

by orwin 2y ago

swed420 2y ago

I can't comment of the french theory part, and navel gazers are always going to exist. It's unfortunate (but not surprising) that Marxism was intentionally hijacked by agents of capital at the expense of humanity as the link point out.

Der_Einzige 2y ago
The extreme recoiling and rejection of the clearly obvious idea that most left-wing movements were hilariously co-opted by the IC circa the 60s (likely continuing now) and that critical theory specifically is co-opted, is evidence of it happening. We've both posted multiple articles showing evidence of this, but folks in this thread get big mad when you bring this up. Btw, if you want a rejection of meta-narratives without fashionable nonsense, go read STIRNER https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ego_and_Its_Own https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Ego_and_Its_Own https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Stirner https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Max_Stirner
- cempaka 2y ago
  I think one hangup for a lot of people here is that they picture the mechanics as having to be something like "the CIA groomed Frankfurt School writers as witting agents from birth" when in reality, it's more like these guys were just selected from the huge menu of takes vendors as having the correctly calibrated mix of left wing appeal and non- or anti-revolutionary compatibility.