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Bluesky seems like another echo chamber. Does Twitter actually ban or suppress speech on the left or right these days?

likeabatterycar 2y ago
From my limited research, most new Bluesky users are ecstatic they have regained the ability to gang-report and tattle on people they don't like again.
- verdverm 2y ago
  It's more about not having to endure trolls. They can be added to list and then users can decide if they want to subscribe to these lists. We don't have to do it individually and that's a powerful tool to keep the network more respectul
  - likeabatterycar 2y ago
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    - verdverm 2y ago
      why do you insist on trolling here? There is far more apolitical content on Bluesky than political content and the list ratio is similar. Lists are both positive (people to follow) and negative (people to ignore), which is technically custom labellers where subscribing users can choose if they warn, mute, or block for themselves Here is a directory of the starter lists so you can get a feel for the mixture: https://blueskydirectory.com/starter-packs/all https://blueskydirectory.com/starter-packs/all The general vibe is to ignore & block rather than to engage with trolls. Dunking with reposts is also frowned upon. Having a fresh start means a new set of norms can be established. It really is a refreshing experience from the other options out there (not just Twitter) "What pushed me off X was just watching good people behave badly" ~ Kelsey Hightower (https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/kelsey-hightower-bluesky-ap-protocol-open-source-kubernetes https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/kelsey-hightower-...)
    - notahacker 2y ago
      You're welcome to stick to the free speech loving site where you're not allowed on the network at all if you post parodies or ADS-B location data if the boss man notices, but on the other hand if you tweet racist enough stuff you might get a pat on the back and a retweet.
    - rsynnott 2y ago
      This idea that everyone should be required to listen to the ravings of anyone passing by (or, on Twitter, anyone who has paid Elon Musk for the privilege) is really pretty weird. Mass blocklists are hardly new; “here are the people to add to your killfile to get some semblance of signal to noise” was a thing on USENET in the 90s, say, and of course, before Musk broke it, they were common on Twitter as an informal user-added feature (the death of the API made them far more difficult to implement.)
- orwin 2y ago
  That I don't agree, it seems to me the BlueSky way is block and ignore. I didn't see a lot of negative engagement, and ragebait (I don't have any blocklist ATM,I want to have the full experience) seems to receive very little responses (except from idiots, but right now it's clearly not as much as twitter, pre or post-buyout).
verdverm 2y ago
It doesn't matter, the quality of discourse is very different What Bluesky gives all users is the choices and control at an individual level, and the ability to operate their own moderation labellers if they so choose They have taken the controls from the corporation and given them to the people. People use these tools to remove the trolls and unproductive discourse, the fresh start means it is not a sisyphean task to keep your feed and comments cleaner This post from Mark Cuban sums up the general vibes: https://bsky.app/profile/mcuban.bsky.social/post/3lbx7p3vdgs2h https://bsky.app/profile/mcuban.bsky.social/post/3lbx7p3vdgs...
waveBidder 2y ago
It suppresses outgoing links, which is like, the whole reason for many content creators to be on a website like it.
dicjsnw 2y ago
Serious research on the topic is unambiguous in that it promotes right-wing content: https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/17/24298669/musk-trump-endorsement-x-boosting-republican-posts-july-algorithm-change https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/17/24298669/musk-trump-endo...
- norwalkbear 2y ago
  So it doesn't censor
  - dicjsnw 2y ago
    False. https://www.vice.com/en/article/x-purges-prominent-journalists-leftists-with-no-explanation/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/x-purges-prominent-journalis...
    - norwalkbear 2y ago
      Wow criticizing Israel gets you suspended?!
hooverd 2y ago
Because of the owners personal relationship with his daughter you can't say cis. The blue check replies on any big post are the racism convention. I find the environment to have gotten very unpleasant. Imagine if every flagged poster here instead got the VIP treatment.

From my limited research, most new Bluesky users are ecstatic they have regained the ability to gang-report and tattle on people they don't like again.

verdverm 2y ago
It's more about not having to endure trolls. They can be added to list and then users can decide if they want to subscribe to these lists. We don't have to do it individually and that's a powerful tool to keep the network more respectul
- likeabatterycar 2y ago
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  - verdverm 2y ago
    why do you insist on trolling here? There is far more apolitical content on Bluesky than political content and the list ratio is similar. Lists are both positive (people to follow) and negative (people to ignore), which is technically custom labellers where subscribing users can choose if they warn, mute, or block for themselves Here is a directory of the starter lists so you can get a feel for the mixture: https://blueskydirectory.com/starter-packs/all https://blueskydirectory.com/starter-packs/all The general vibe is to ignore & block rather than to engage with trolls. Dunking with reposts is also frowned upon. Having a fresh start means a new set of norms can be established. It really is a refreshing experience from the other options out there (not just Twitter) "What pushed me off X was just watching good people behave badly" ~ Kelsey Hightower (https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/kelsey-hightower-bluesky-ap-protocol-open-source-kubernetes https://www.siliconrepublic.com/enterprise/kelsey-hightower-...)
  - notahacker 2y ago
    You're welcome to stick to the free speech loving site where you're not allowed on the network at all if you post parodies or ADS-B location data if the boss man notices, but on the other hand if you tweet racist enough stuff you might get a pat on the back and a retweet.
  - rsynnott 2y ago
    This idea that everyone should be required to listen to the ravings of anyone passing by (or, on Twitter, anyone who has paid Elon Musk for the privilege) is really pretty weird. Mass blocklists are hardly new; “here are the people to add to your killfile to get some semblance of signal to noise” was a thing on USENET in the 90s, say, and of course, before Musk broke it, they were common on Twitter as an informal user-added feature (the death of the API made them far more difficult to implement.)
orwin 2y ago
That I don't agree, it seems to me the BlueSky way is block and ignore. I didn't see a lot of negative engagement, and ragebait (I don't have any blocklist ATM,I want to have the full experience) seems to receive very little responses (except from idiots, but right now it's clearly not as much as twitter, pre or post-buyout).

verdverm 2y ago

It doesn't matter, the quality of discourse is very different What Bluesky gives all users is the choices and control at an individual level, and the ability to operate their own moderation labellers if they so choose They have taken the controls from the corporation and given them to the people. People use these tools to remove the trolls and unproductive discourse, the fresh start means it is not a sisyphean task to keep your feed and comments cleaner This post from Mark Cuban sums up the general vibes: https://bsky.app/profile/mcuban.bsky.social/post/3lbx7p3vdgs2h https://bsky.app/profile/mcuban.bsky.social/post/3lbx7p3vdgs...

waveBidder 2y ago

It suppresses outgoing links, which is like, the whole reason for many content creators to be on a website like it.

dicjsnw 2y ago

Serious research on the topic is unambiguous in that it promotes right-wing content: https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/17/24298669/musk-trump-endorsement-x-boosting-republican-posts-july-algorithm-change https://www.theverge.com/2024/11/17/24298669/musk-trump-endo...

norwalkbear 2y ago
So it doesn't censor
- dicjsnw 2y ago
  False. https://www.vice.com/en/article/x-purges-prominent-journalists-leftists-with-no-explanation/ https://www.vice.com/en/article/x-purges-prominent-journalis...
  - norwalkbear 2y ago
    Wow criticizing Israel gets you suspended?!

hooverd 2y ago

Because of the owners personal relationship with his daughter you can't say cis. The blue check replies on any big post are the racism convention. I find the environment to have gotten very unpleasant. Imagine if every flagged poster here instead got the VIP treatment.